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IRS targeting included liberal groups

Redress said:
I am guessing is is because they just don't whine as much.
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.... about high tax rates. You people are champion whiners about most everything else.
 
Tucker Case said:
That doesn't make any logical sense. Me meaningless posting just go on and on and on without the need for white trash conservatives or black trash liberals being supported by taxes.
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It makes about as much sense as your original post. I bet you continue in that tradition.
 
Dooble said:
.... about high tax rates. You people are champion whiners about most everything else.
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Conservatives don't whine about taxes?

BWHHAHAHAHHAHH!

The reverso-meme. Always handy.
 
head of joaquin said:
Conservatives don't whine about taxes?
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Let's try a little discovery exercise. I want you to read the exchange that took place prior to my response. Read over all of it 100 times. After you've completed that exercise, I want you to meditate for 30 minutes over what you learned. When you've finished that, I want you to explain how you came to the above question.
 
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rocket88 said:
I don't know, when it comes to whining about the media....
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My point is, that liberals whine about practically everything. Actually, it's more like ranting, but that's still a cousin to whining.
 
Dooble said:
Let's try a little discovery exercise. I want you to read the exchange that took place prior to my response. Read it over all of it 100 times. After you've completed that exercise, I want you to meditate for 30 minutes over what you learned. When you've finished that, I want you to explain how you came to the above question.
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:lol: It's funny when people reach the exact opposite conclusion of what was explicitly stated.
 
j-mac said:
Produce Lois Lerner willing to tell the truth. Produce Holly Paz willing to tell the truth. Stop the people from the administration under oath telling lies, and misleading congress. Produce liberal/progressive groups that had to undergo the same type of scrutiny as the TP groups. Explain why TP groups had to wait 30 months or more to hear, and a group like the one started by Obama's nephew was green lighted in just weeks, with his status retro active for 9 months....

I have stated before, this IRS situation is going to be the scandal of all of those out there that is the most dangerous for Obama, but glad to see liberal/progressive supporters day after day defend the corruption that allows this type of outright lying to the American people.
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This is my point exactly. If these individuals testified that there was no political bias, then they would not be telling the truth and you wouldn't accept it. Now compare this to what it took for you to become convinced that there was a scandal.... a rumor.

There are answers already out there for every single question you've asked. They've been discussed and answered ad nausium.
 
Mithros said:
This is my point exactly. If these individuals
testified that there was no political
bias, then they would not be telling the truth and you wouldn't accept it. Now compare this to what it took for you to become convinced that there was a scandal.... a rumor.


There are answers already out there for every single question you've asked. They've been discussed and answered ad nausium.
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The IRS said yesterday that the targeting was wide spread ( partially true statement) after Lois Lerner stated initially it was the actions of rogue low level employees in Cinci.

Name a Progressive group targeted and denied its status.

So you understand why your opinion can't be taken seriously.

Its hard to find the truth when IRS officials take the Fifth.

But not impossible.
 
Fenton said:
The IRS said yesterday that the targeting was wide spread ( partially true statement) after Lois Lerner stated initially it was the actions of rogue low level employees in Cinci.

Name a Progressive group targeted and denied its status.

So you understand why your opinion can't be taken seriously.

Its hard to find the truth when IRS officials take the Fifth.

But not impossible.
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Emerge America

You're welcome.
 
Mithros said:
This is my point exactly. If these individuals testified that there was no political bias, then they would not be telling the truth and you wouldn't accept it. Now compare this to what it took for you to become convinced that there was a scandal.... a rumor.

There are answers already out there for every single question you've asked. They've been discussed and answered ad nausium.
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A "rumor" :lamo No sir....How about Lois Lerner's own words apologizing for doing it in the first place....? Was she lying when she admitted to it in that speech?
 
j-mac said:
A "rumor" :lamo No sir....How about Lois Lerner's own words apologizing for doing it in the first place....? Was she lying when she admitted to it in that speech?
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But what's this?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...a-party-targeted-2011-a-6.html#post1061801523
j-mac said:
Nope, you're right here....Obama is using all three as political tools, or weapons against freedom if you wish....Thanks for pointing that out.
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As early as May 13th at 8 AM, you're convinced that this goes all the way to the Whitehouse. The OIG report hadn't even been released at this point.
 
I just came into this thread to chuckle at how insistent Republicans/conservatives want to be that they were being persecuted. It is so hard to be conservative these days, what with the facts having a liberal bias and all...

This news didn't surprise me in the least. Can we all finally decide to be upset that ANY political groups were abusing of our tax laws? Now that we've established the IRS scrutinized both sides, can we finally say, "Hey, that's what they SHOULD be doing"?
Fenton said:
Name a Progressive group targeted and denied its status.
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Name a single group denied its status that didn't deserve to be denied.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I just came into this thread to chuckle at how insistent Republicans/conservatives want to be that they were being persecuted. It is so hard to be conservative these days, what with the facts having a liberal bias and all...

This news didn't surprise me in the least. Can we all finally decide to be upset that ANY political groups were abusing of our tax laws? Now that we've established the IRS scrutinized both sides, can we finally say, "Hey, that's what they SHOULD be doing"?

Name a single group denied its status that didn't deserve to be denied.
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You can if your predisposed to blatant misinformation released to cover selective targeting based on political affiliation.

Not one of you has named a progressive group that was targeted, harassed and then left in limbo.

Hell , your'e so ideologically blind you've ignored the fact the recent release of misinformation directly contradicts Lois Lerner's statement that this was just a "few low level agents looking for a way to speed up their process".

You ignore the fact that donor list of Conservatives, not progressives were released illegally and until the IRS's illegal activities were exposed these groups still hadn't received their tax status.

But now they have and I thought they didn't deserve it. Bull Sh**. Like everything else that comes out of your twisted ideology.

Sorry your so gullible you buy into the BS that's coming out of the IRS, that your so lacking objectivity, integrity and humility that you've justified their actions.

You guys whined and cried about Bush, invented narratives and scandals that didn't exist, and now when someone on your side pleads the Fifth in front of Congress, or just outright lies in the case of Holder, you make excuses for it. You create a false reality so you can show your face and defend your'e corrupt ideology.

Issa hasn't released any information yet but I guarantee no matter what it is you'll be in here making pathetic arguments for the targeting of American citizens for their beliefs.
 
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Mithros said:
IRS targeting included liberal groups - CNN.com

The Internal Revenue Service targeted liberal groups as well as conservatives seeking tax-exempt status, a Democratic congressman charged on Monday after the agency acknowledged the inappropriate practice continued until last month.

Rep. Sander Levin said the term "progressives" was included on IRS screening lists of applicants for tax-exempt status made available to Congress on Monday.
It was the first confirmation that the "Be on the Lookout" or BOLO lists used criteria targeting liberal groups after an inspector general's report made public last month said the IRS had used words such as "tea party" to determine possible extra scrutiny.​


Can we finally stop pretending that the IRS "scandal" is actually a scandal? The IRS gave extra scrutiny to political groups applying for 501c(4) status. Political groups should be 527's, not 501c's. What we've dealt with so far is a concerted effort by Republicans to selectively release information, giving the appearance of a scandal.
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Why is this just NOW coming out? Sounds like a 4th quarter lie, to try and keep some folks out of prison.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Name a single group denied its status that didn't deserve to be denied.
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what the IRS did was worse. they put those groups in limbo for over 2 years and counting. If the IRS would have denied their status the groups could appeal the denial and it would have went to a court where the IRS would have had to turn over their documents to show the reason for the denial
 
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Slyfox696 said:
I just came into this thread to chuckle at how insistent Republicans/conservatives want to be that they were being persecuted. It is so hard to be conservative these days, what with the facts having a liberal bias and all...

This news didn't surprise me in the least. Can we all finally decide to be upset that ANY political groups were abusing of our tax laws? Now that we've established the IRS scrutinized both sides, can we finally say, "Hey, that's what they SHOULD be doing"?

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A November 2010 version of the list obtained by National Review Online, however, suggests that while the list did contain the word “progressive,” screeners were in fact instructed to treat “progressive” groups differently from “tea party” groups. Whereas screeners were merely alerted that a designation of 501(c)(3) status “may not be appropriate” for applications containing the word ”progressive” – 501(c)(3) groups are prohibited from conducting any political activities – they were told to send those of tea-party groups off ”to Group 7822″ for further scrutiny.

That means the applications of progressive groups could be approved on the spot by line agents, while those of tea-party groups could not. Furthermore, the November 2010 list noted that tea-party cases were “currently being coordinated with EOT,” which stands for Exempt Organizations Technical, a group of tax lawyers in Washington, D.C. Those of progressive groups were not.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/06/2...’-way-it-did-‘tea-party’-groups#ixzz2XElIh14g
 
Fenton said:
You can if your predisposed to blatant misinformation released to cover selective targeting based on political affiliation.
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:lol:

I wonder how long it takes you to spin these things into something you can believe. Tell me, do you find conservative media sources to tell you how to feel about these things, or are you just the victim of what I would call self-brainwashing?

Not one of you has named a progressive group that was targeted, harassed and then left in limbo.
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No, you were just given the name of the group that was actually DENIED by the IRS, which is ACTUALLY what you were asking for.
Fenton said:
Maybe you could name. Progressive group that was denied ?
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Fenton said:
On two other forums I asked the Libs to give me the name of a Progressive group that was denied.
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Fenton said:
You cant name one Progressive group that was targeted and denied
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Fenton said:
Name one Progressive group that was refused it tax status.
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Fenton said:
Anyway, name a Progressive group that was denied its tax status.
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Fenton said:
Name a Progressive group targeted and denied its status.
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Mithros said:
Emerge America

You're welcome.
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In SIX different posts you challenge someone to name a Progressive group which was denied, and now you act aghast because no one answered a question you didn't ask. Totally shameless, even by your standards.
Hell , your'e so ideologically blind
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I'm sorry, I have to stop here, I cannot take any more, cannot even finish reading the rest of your post. For YOU to claim another is "so ideologically blind" is just too much laughter for one night. I'm sure you feel like you made good points, but intelligent and objective people know better. And even those who are not intelligent or objective can just read above at the six different times you asked the same question before acting like you asked a different one to see just how incredibly biased you are.
trfjr said:
what the IRS did was worse. they put those groups in limbo for over 2 years and counting.
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So...having to wait 2 years for someone to give you ten million dollars is worse than never getting it?

I love Republican non-logic.

trfjr said:
A November 2010 version of the list obtained by National Review Online, however, suggests that while the list did contain the word “progressive,” screeners were in fact instructed to treat “progressive” groups differently from “tea party” groups. Whereas screeners were merely alerted that a designation of 501(c)(3) status “may not be appropriate” for applications containing the word ”progressive” – 501(c)(3) groups are prohibited from conducting any political activities – they were told to send those of tea-party groups off ”to Group 7822″ for further scrutiny.

That means the applications of progressive groups could be approved on the spot by line agents, while those of tea-party groups could not. Furthermore, the November 2010 list noted that tea-party cases were “currently being coordinated with EOT,” which stands for Exempt Organizations Technical, a group of tax lawyers in Washington, D.C. Those of progressive groups were not.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/06/25/no-there-are-no-indications-irs-targeted-‘progressives’-way-it-did-‘tea-party’-groups#ixzz2XElIh14g
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I find it amusing you post that like you believe it actually helps your cause. The flip side of that is that applications of progressive groups could be DENIED on the spot by line agents, while those of tea-party groups could not. And, from what I've read (and you're welcome to post a source saying otherwise, I'm not 100% sure about this statement) the only group which actually WAS denied was a progressive group, is that correct?

Again, and I've said this for weeks now, people are worried about the wrong dang thing. Instead of worrying about groups in limbo or denied, we should be worried about the groups who were passed and the fact so many of them clearly seem to be skirting our laws in order to pump more money into an already corrupted government. But no, you and your buddy Fenton there are far more interested in playing the team game, putting down the other team so your team can win.
 
Redress said:
I am guessing is is because they just don't whine as much.
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Then they were stupid not to. The story in no way makes it clear that liberal groups were targeted, and that they were targeted before the election.
 
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