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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    they didn't deny them because then the Tea Party groups could appeal the decision and the IRS would have been required to give a reason for the denial they would have had to turn over their paper work. instead they put them in limbo for over 2 year and counting. while progressive groups got their approval in 9 months
    Thank-you for your honest reply. The truth is that all those groups claimed the exempt status on their returns anyway and all received their exemption.

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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you know something the IRS doesn't? The IRS has acknowledged "inappropriate" targeting of conservative political groups during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status. They admit it!

    Even Lois Lerner, before she took the Fifth, said IRS agents singled out dozens of organizations for additional reviews because they included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their exemption applications. Lerner also said that in some cases groups were asked for lists of donors, which violates IRS policy in most cases.

    Why involve yourself in the debate if you don't know the facts?
    They admitted to targeting which was wrong. That does not mean they denied any of the groups exempt status. You are the one without the facts.
    Besides, it turned out that it was a conservative Republican IRS agent that started the whole thing. He must have realized the hypocrisy of the tax law that would give ANY political group tax exempt status.

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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    IRS targeting included liberal groups - CNN.com

    The Internal Revenue Service targeted liberal groups as well as conservatives seeking tax-exempt status, a Democratic congressman charged on Monday after the agency acknowledged the inappropriate practice continued until last month.

    Rep. Sander Levin said the term "progressives" was included on IRS screening lists of applicants for tax-exempt status made available to Congress on Monday.
    It was the first confirmation that the "Be on the Lookout" or BOLO lists used criteria targeting liberal groups after an inspector general's report made public last month said the IRS had used words such as "tea party" to determine possible extra scrutiny.


    Can we finally stop pretending that the IRS "scandal" is actually a scandal? The IRS gave extra scrutiny to political groups applying for 501c(4) status. Political groups should be 527's, not 501c's. What we've dealt with so far is a concerted effort by Republicans to selectively release information, giving the appearance of a scandal.
    In a short answer, NO. I don't trust Levin, any more than I trust Cummings when he laughably tries to declare the investigation closed by saying that he found a self professed conservative involved....Both, are touting that we are to take what they say on face value, with trust....Sorry...this is just more subterfuge....
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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    They admitted to targeting which was wrong.
    True, and you still have progressives saying that they don't think what the IRS did was wrong.

    That does not mean they denied any of the groups exempt status.
    Applications delayed, are applications denied.

    Besides, it turned out that it was a conservative Republican IRS agent that started the whole thing.
    Laughable! It's pretty clear that the IRS people behind this were Lerner, and Paz, and Ingram.

    He must have realized the hypocrisy of the tax law that would give ANY political group tax exempt status.
    The IRS, along with other Bureaucratic agencies are corrupt with life long, and entrenched activist, and union influences that transcend administrations....The IRS needs to be abolished, and the tax system as it exists today repealed, and replaced with a fair tax system with no carve outs for special interests.
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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    IRS targeting included liberal groups - CNN.com

    The Internal Revenue Service targeted liberal groups as well as conservatives seeking tax-exempt status, a Democratic congressman charged on Monday after the agency acknowledged the inappropriate practice continued until last month.

    Rep. Sander Levin said the term "progressives" was included on IRS screening lists of applicants for tax-exempt status made available to Congress on Monday.
    It was the first confirmation that the "Be on the Lookout" or BOLO lists used criteria targeting liberal groups after an inspector general's report made public last month said the IRS had used words such as "tea party" to determine possible extra scrutiny.


    Can we finally stop pretending that the IRS "scandal" is actually a scandal? The IRS gave extra scrutiny to political groups applying for 501c(4) status. Political groups should be 527's, not 501c's. What we've dealt with so far is a concerted effort by Republicans to selectively release information, giving the appearance of a scandal.
    Yes, progressive groups were on the BOLO list so that they could be fast tracked while conservative group applications were sent to Washington for the special blow, snow, and sandbag treatment.

    Good try, but your spin is hereby un-spun, debunked, trashed, and kicked to the curb.

    NO, THE IRS WASN’T TREATING “PROGRESSIVE” GROUPS THE SAME WAY IT WAS TREATING THE TEA PARTY: ‘Lookout List’ Not Much Broader Than Originally Thought, Contrary to Reports. That’s just spin in an effort to make the probe go away.
    'Lookout List' Not Much Broader Than Originally Thought, Contrary to Reports | National Review Online

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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In a short answer, NO. I don't trust Levin, any more than I trust Cummings when he laughably tries to declare the investigation closed by saying that he found a self professed conservative involved....Both, are touting that we are to take what they say on face value, with trust....Sorry...this is just more subterfuge....
    So do you trust Darrel Issa?

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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Why haven't progressive groups complained about issues applying for 501c(4) status?
    I'm guessing because the claims are bull****. Liberals whine about everything, if they felt there was any kind of impropriety they would be pissing up a storm. I suspect this is another deflection, as in "it wasn't just conservatives so it's no big deal". a certain number of groups on each side could be expected to be looked at closely depending on structure, but then the numbers would be about equal on each side. Keep in mind that in the beginning we were told none of it happened at all. This "well, it happened to both sides" is another fish on a hook, just another way to try to defuse the situation.

    The fact is the IRS used it's power to unfairly target fund raising groups leading up to an election. The groups are very vocal and have strong support (Tea Party), as close as the election was it is entirely possible that without this manipulation the election may have gone the other way. The IRS is at fault to a level that people should be facing serious prison time, and the administration shares the blame for allowing it to happen and then helping to try to cover it up. Keep it up Obama Admin, this kind of thing has happened before and it did not end well for the arrogant assholes in power.

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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Thank-you for your honest reply. The truth is that all those groups claimed the exempt status on their returns anyway and all received their exemption.

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...onal-scrutiny/
    But an inspector general’s report indicated that I.R.S. officials began targeting conservative groups in March 2010 by searching for groups with names containing “Tea Party,” “patriot” or “9/12.” The report says officials then switched to more expansive, less partisan search criteria in July 2011 and in January 2012, before broadening the criteria a third time on May 17, two weeks after Mr. Camp’s letter.

    But the first two revisions to the search criteria do not appear to have resulted in more Tea Party groups gaining approval. During the entire two-year span — from March 2010, when the agency began singling out conservative groups, to April 2012, just before it received Mr. Camp’s letter and changed its search criteria for the last time — the I.R.S. approved the applications of just four groups with those conservative keywords in their names. After the I.R.S. altered its search criteria the final time, the agency approved more than 40 Tea Party applications.
    fivethirtyeight tea party approvals.png

    Some further thoughts on the subject from Silver:
    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...onate-in-2014/
    In a basic sense, scandals that reduce trust in government have the potential to harm those who argue for more government. Mr. Obama has predicated much of his agenda on the idea that Americans can and should trust the government to take action on health care, gun legislation and other issues. An issue like the I.R.S. scandal could be seized upon by those who argue that background checks for gun purchases will lead to a national registry, or that information the government collects in implementing the health care law will be abused, even if the government promises it will not.
    Iguana, your post factually incorrect. They did not all recieve their exemption, they especially did not recieve it in a timely manner.

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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Yes, progressive groups were on the BOLO list so that they could be fast tracked while conservative group applications were sent to Washington for the special blow, snow, and sandbag treatment.

    Good try, but your spin is hereby un-spun, debunked, trashed, and kicked to the curb.



    'Lookout List' Not Much Broader Than Originally Thought, Contrary to Reports | National Review Online
    more from the article:

    That means the applications of progressive groups could be approved on the spot by line agents, while those of tea-party groups could not. Furthermore, the November 2010 list noted that tea-party cases were “currently being coordinated with EOT,” which stands for Exempt Organizations Technical, a group of tax lawyers in Washington, D.C. Those of progressive groups were not.


    The AP reported earlier on Monday that “Terms including ‘Israel,’ ’Progressive’ and ‘Occupy’ were used by agency workers to help pick groups for closer examination.” That appears to be misleading, as there is no indication from the list examined by NRO that progressive groups were singled out for heightened scrutiny in a manner similar to tea-party groups. Cases involving healthcare legislation, however, were. “New applications are subject to secondary screening in Group 7821,” the list notes.

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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    True, and you still have progressives saying that they don't think what the IRS did was wrong.



    Applications delayed, are applications denied.



    Laughable! It's pretty clear that the IRS people behind this were Lerner, and Paz, and Ingram.



    The IRS, along with other Bureaucratic agencies are corrupt with life long, and entrenched activist, and union influences that transcend administrations....The IRS needs to be abolished, and the tax system as it exists today repealed, and replaced with a fair tax system with no carve outs for special interests.
    Amen. And while we're at it we need to foreclose the White House. The family occupying it are running up unprecedented debt and clearly intend to default on it. Don't worry, there are plenty of programs designed just for them. They will be fine.

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