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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    A simplified tax code and this wouldn't even be a discussion.

    I would prefer that the word progressive was in the search. I would hope it would bring us all together to reform the IRS monster.
    I would too actually, that would be a good thing. Unfortunately we have to have pissing matches and hear how Obama, the UN and the media are out to get them...

    Wait for the evidence. Either it's nothing or it's really bad, but whatever happened to waiting for the truth to come out before rushing to judgement?


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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    How did I " own myself " ?

    Your'e being laughed at because you apparently haven't the capabillities of objective analysis.

    You actually believe what the IRS is telling you the truth after they so Obviously contradicted themselves.

    Through a planted question, that involved the then acting Commisioner, Lois Lerner stated that targeting involved " low level people " in Cinci.

    Then she took the Fifth.

    Now the IRS says it was wide spread.

    You cant name one Progressive group that was targeted and denied but atorneys like Jay Sekulow are representing close to a hundred Conservative groups, some who had their donor list leaked illegally.

    I'm not the one "owning myself " if you don't even know when your'e being lied to.
    You owned yourself by using a source that is only going to tell you what you want to hear, while complaining about others putting up with being lied to. You further own yourself by making lots of assumptions about other people which are not accurate. Hint: I have not stated a position on the subject of what the IRS has done.
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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    A simplified income tax code wouldn't help. Non-profits are a completely different entity.

    What would help is if the IRS denied 501c4 status to all groups that weren't entirely dedicated to social welfare (as stated in the law). Then these political groups would be moved from 501c4 status subject to IRS regulations,, into 527 status regulated by the FEC.

    (Also, it's good that they used progressive even though progressive is a terrible search word for political activism. If you look through the list of approved groups you'll see many progressive baptist churches, and progressive medical groups. None of which have anything to do with politics.)
    Wouldn't a simplified tax code allow for a proper definition of Non-profits and how to handle them? The reason you want to be a non-profit is so that the donations are tax-deductible. That helps attain more donations. I assume you knew that, but I stated it anyways. Back to where I was going. Defining who is non-profit clearly and succinctly would not allow for a "rogue" agent to make their own determination.

    Progressive is a terrible search word. Agreed. But it is easy to filter through the mess.
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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I would too actually, that would be a good thing. Unfortunately we have to have pissing matches and hear how Obama, the UN and the media are out to get them...

    Wait for the evidence. Either it's nothing or it's really bad, but whatever happened to waiting for the truth to come out before rushing to judgement?
    I think that premise sailed a long time ago. Pick any thread in breaking news.
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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You owned yourself by using a source that is only going to tell you what you want to hear, while complaining about others putting up with being lied to. You further own yourself by making lots of assumptions about other people which are not accurate. Hint: I have not stated a position on the subject of what the IRS has done.
    Yeah, but you don't want to hang Obama before all the evidence is out. Therefore you drink the blue kool aid.


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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I think that premise sailed a long time ago. Pick any thread in breaking news.
    There's been so many things coming out I don't know if it's coming or going at this point. Plus who knows what is and isn't true. Issa and Obama arent' going to tell us, that's for sure.


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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    There's been so many things coming out I don't know if it's coming or going at this point. Plus who knows what is and isn't true. Issa and Obama arent' going to tell us, that's for sure.
    In a word...transparency.
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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I would too actually, that would be a good thing. Unfortunately we have to have pissing matches and hear how Obama, the UN and the media are out to get them...

    Wait for the evidence. Either it's nothing or it's really bad, but whatever happened to waiting for the truth to come out before rushing to judgement?
    I should admit I have always wanted to see the IRS restructured, and this situation adds fuel to the fire. So I am biased in that regard.
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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Democrat demands answers from Bush-appointee over ‘flawed’ IRS audit | The Raw Story

    Rep. Sander Levin (D-MI), a ranking member of the House Ways and Means Committee, has called for a congressional hearing into the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration.

    J. Russell George, who was appointed by President George W. Bush in 2004, conducted an audit of the IRS that concluded the federal agency had used “inappropriate criteria” to target tea party groups.

    However, Levin revealed Monday that the same “inappropriate criteria” appeared to have been used to target progressive groups — and continued to be used after it had stopped being used for tea party groups.


    “Please describe in detail why your report dated May 14, 2013 omitted the fact that ‘Progressives’ was used,” Levin wrote in a letter to George.

    “The American public expects competent, impartial, unbiased, and non-political treatment from the IRS,” the Congressman concluded. “The same standard is also applicable to you and your organization. Your audit served as the basis and impetus for a wide range of Congressional investigations and this new information shows that the foundation of those investigations is flawed in a fundamental way.”

    The audit stated the IRS was wrong to use “Be On the Look Out” (BOLO) memos to target tea party groups. But at least seven BOLO memos used by IRS agents included the word “progressive,” a fact that was completely omitted from George’s audit.

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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    These are results of the IRS investigating itself so I am highly suspicious of their findings. I think there will be some clarification of this claim coming soon.
    I tend to believe this is an effort to muddy the waters.

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