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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    How exactly did Obama benefit?
    By tying up the resources of those that did not hold the same political beliefs as him. By making them unsure of how to accept donations and how to file accurately and file legally those same donations. Do I need to keep going or are you done playing ignorant yet?

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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So you think those right wing groups would have helped with Romney's campaign?

    Thanks for admitting that the IRS was right for investigating those groups.
    Getting out the vote is considered social welfare. Thanks for proving you STILL dont know what you are talking about. A lot of the efforts of those groups centered on that and on positions that were friendly to the Romney campaign. Education of policy issues is classified as social welfare work and is seemingly allowed for liberal groups but not conservative ones---thanks for the cognitive dissonance.

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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    ... a Tea Party group that's purpose is to educate people on the constitution...
    Holy train wreck! If there is one thing Tea Party groups should not do is try to educate any one, except maybe themselves.
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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Getting out the vote is considered social welfare. Thanks for proving you STILL dont know what you are talking about. A lot of the efforts of those groups centered on that and on positions that were friendly to the Romney campaign. Education of policy issues is classified as social welfare work and is seemingly allowed for liberal groups but not conservative ones---thanks for the cognitive dissonance.
    IOW, GOTV and education efforts are OK for tax exempt status, meaning that even without approval those groups could have engaged in such activities without worry.

    Thanks for admitting that the lack of IRS approval did not hinder those groups in any way
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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    By tying up the resources of those that did not hold the same political beliefs as him. By making them unsure of how to accept donations and how to file accurately and file legally those same donations. Do I need to keep going or are you done playing ignorant yet?
    I'm not sure there's any amount of mental gymnastics that can possibly justify the idea that political spending by conservatives was in some way impeded.

    Conservatives spent 90% of all 501c spending in 2010 and 85% in 2012. And almost all of the 501c spending by liberal groups was through 501c5 and 510c6 groups, ie Unions and tradegroups.

    Political Nonprofits | OpenSecrets
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    That's 265 Million dollars to 34 that conservative 501c4 groups outspent liberal groups, and yet you somehow believe that conservative resources were tied up?

    You can't just make these inflammatory accusations without any evidence. Unless that's the new Republican Party platform.

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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    I'm not sure there's any amount of mental gymnastics that can possibly justify the idea that political spending by conservatives was in some way impeded.

    Conservatives spent 90% of all 501c spending in 2010 and 85% in 2012. And almost all of the 501c spending by liberal groups was through 501c5 and 510c6 groups, ie Unions and tradegroups.

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    That's 265 Million dollars to 34 that conservative 501c4 groups outspent liberal groups, and yet you somehow believe that conservative resources were tied up?

    You can't just make these inflammatory accusations without any evidence. Unless that's the new Republican Party platform.
    Do you honestly think that a not for profit isnt going to slow down what they are doing when their tax status is in question? You think donors arent going to wait? Its common sense that they will tie up money with lawyers and meetings and resources trying to find out whats going on. I dont understand how you feel they would not do any of the things I described.

    Liberal groups were outspent, is it possible they could have been outspent by even more? We dont know.

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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    This is fairly comical, isn't it? The inspector general is asked to run an audit to determine if conservative groups are being targeted. Turns out they are. Turns out liberal groups are targeted, too, but to what extent we don't know because the IG wasn't asked to audit focus on liberal groups.

    In other words, there really isn't any story here except for conspiracy theorists that don't need facts to come to conclusions.
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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This is fairly comical, isn't it? The inspector
    general is asked to run an audit to determine if conservative groups are being targeted. Turns out they are. Turns out liberal groups are targeted, too, but to what extent we don't know because the IG wasn't asked to audit focus on liberal groups.

    In other words, there really isn't any story here except for conspiracy theorists that don't need facts to come to conclusions.
    Thats were your'e wrong.

    Conservative groups were passed on to Washington for closer inspection that lasted years, Liberal groups were passed through and given their status.

    It's called " reading ", you should try it sometime.

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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Conservative groups were passed on to Washington for closer inspection that lasted years, Liberal groups were passed through and given their status.
    Unfortunately, you don't have any proof of this.
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    Re: IRS targeting included liberal groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    It's the only damn 501c4 group to be denied.
    There aren't any others. I'm sure 2+2=4 would be a talking point if a republican said it was five.

    Not that any facts, reality, or critical thinking will ever permeate your bubble.
    The result of the IRS " investigating" itself showed the targeting was wide spread and lasted longer and was a direct contradiction to the initial statements of Lois Lerner.

    Who...pleaded the Fifth.

    But no one did anything wrong.

    Are you purposely being obtuse or are you so afflicted that you actually believe this was all on the up and up ?

    As it turns out the truth is just the opposite from Lerners initial claims.

    There was a DOMA list that included " progressive" and " Occupy " but Washington was the one who held back Conservative 501s for further " review", not low level agents in Cinci.

    Why do you think Cummings declared this solved ?

    He knows its bad and he wants it to go away

    And if those 501's never deserved the status, why are they suddenly being approved in mass ?

    Your'e not suppoed to cover for a corrupt administration, your'e supposed to demand accountabillity.

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