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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Right the list is things they are supposed to know.
    Except on a lot of subjects, that's a very subjective concept. (no pun intended)

    History example: What was the civil war about? Despite what the southerners claim about "states rights", it really was about slavery. The Confederacy even put it in their declarations of secession, and actually limited states rights in several ways that the US Constitution did not. (example: states could not abolish slavery in their borders!)

    Except Texas is very influential when it comes to textbooks. So a lot of them emphasize the states rights thing.

    Which answer do I put on the test?
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    It doesnt just benefit whites. It is just most of the people who benefit are white. Rural Tx is mostly white.
    then the next question why are there not more rural blacks?

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I don't know, perhaps this link will help:

    http://www.utexas.edu/graduation-rat...RAD-REPORT.pdf

    Thanks for that. A very quick glance indicates graduation rates are as big a concern to UT as they are in the California State, and University of California campuses.

    What has been discovered here is that a disproportionate number of freshman who were admitted through diversity programs have had very difficult times meeting the basic core knowledge levels needed to advance.

    In far too many cases, these students have taken on student loans to pay for the initial tuition expense, only to drop out later when they discover they were ill prepared for the depth of skill and knowledge required in college level courses.

    This seems to be the elephant in the room when it comes to affirmative action programs related to college entrance programs. It's also a statistic that seems to be difficult for many administrators to discuss.

    At least they have recognized the challenge at UT, based on the link you provided.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Oh please. AA doesnt dick over white males. If you have the grades and skills you will get admission.

    Marginal white students who used to get in when they didnt deserve to no longer do. Those people are complaining.
    Funny that you say that, since my school is just a few years removed from legitimate allegations of Affirmative Action run amok in regard to their law school.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Except it's not a measure of what they know, it's a measure of whether or not they know a specific list of things.
    Just a guess, but I suspect the following, and many others, have to know a specific list of things to be proficient and in many cases to be licensed.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Except on a lot of subjects, that's a very subjective concept. (no pun intended)

    History example: What was the civil war about? Despite what the southerners claim about "states rights", it really was about slavery. The Confederacy even put it in their declarations of secession, and actually limited states rights in several ways that the US Constitution did not. (example: states could not abolish slavery in their borders!)

    Except Texas is very influential when it comes to textbooks. So a lot of them emphasize the states rights thing.

    Which answer do I put on the test?
    Is it multiple choice or essay?

    The answer is easy. The answer is the noth fought to preserve the union the south fought to preserve slavery.

    I put that as an answer here in TX and got it right.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    then the next question why are there not more rural blacks?
    They live in cities.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    then the next question why are there not more rural blacks?
    Because there is no rural black culture would be my best guess. I live in rural Texas and there are basically either Mexican or redneck establishments. Of my immediate neighbors about half are redneck and half are Mexican with one black family within about 10 miles.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    The SCOTUS, to its credit, didn't think that enough was heard to justify a decision either way .. so they sent it back down for a re-hearing.

    Regardless, in America, appeal to race for any reason is simply wrong.

    Hiring, admitting, politicking, etc. because of preference or aversion to a race(s) is simply wrong and should not be employed in any sense or for any reason.

    I look forward to the end of both biased glass ceilings and compensatory mandates.

    Hopefully the re-hearing and return to the SCOTUS will lead to that end.
    When I was a child I thought like you. Then I went to Texas A&M and learned how wrong I was and how socially and deeply and institutionally off-balance the real world is. In 1977 the only black students at A&M were jocks or soldiers (had been or were to be). All other black students connected to the A&M school went to a place called Prairieview, iirc, which was nothing really more than a glorified high school. There were however plenty of blacks working the low-end jobs at the mess hall and bldg maintenance, ie janitors.
    Additionally I happened into a job doing social work in deep East Texas, from College Station to the coast. What I saw really ripped me a new perspective on this subject. Never again did I feel as though we had even come close to recovering from Jim Crow and all that it burdens those of non-white color in the Texas....
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Funny that you say that, since my school is just a few years removed from legitimate allegations of Affirmative Action run amok in regard to their law school.
    So some marginal white didnt get in. White students who deserve to be there will be there.

    I have never had a problem. Got into UH law and they have a diversity program.

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