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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Actually, a white person could easily self-identify as black without problem. Someone who is 1/16 or even 1/4 black could "look" very white.

    Then again, who determines what "white" looks like?
    We do ourselves. That is why we check the box rather than an official doing it.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Too much "trickery" is being used to help ensure that the "correct" proportion of non-whites (mostly latinos) get into the University of Teaxs (UT). After getting slammed for using direct racial/ethnic quotas in 1996, UT invented the (extremely clever) "automatic" acceptance of the top 10% of graduates from each Texas HS, regrdless of their citzenship, GPA or SAT scores. That boosted latino acceptance rate from 14% to 24% by magically eliminating 75% of all UT freshmen admissions from any competition outside of their own HS peers. "Diversity" was achieved by simply making where you live count way more than what your scholastic aptitude for UT admission. This has since been reduced to the top 8% and will likely go down to 7% soon. The idea of exempting 75% of all UT freshmen admissions from academic competition (outside of their HS peers) and then using self-declaring racial/ethnic minority status as a "boost" factor for the remaining 25% of "fair" academic admissions surely makes it more difficult for those that are not getting that "boost" to get into UT.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Too much "trickery" is being used to help ensure that the "correct" proportion of non-whites (mostly latinos) get into the University of Teaxs (UT). After getting slammed for using direct racial/ethnic quotas in 1996, UT invented the (extremely clever) "automatic" acceptance of the top 10% of graduates from each Texas HS, regrdless of their citzenship, GPA or SAT scores. That boosted latino acceptance rate from 14% to 24% by magically eliminating 75% of all UT freshmen admissions from any competition outside of their own HS peers. "Diversity" was achieved by simply making where you live count way more than what your scholastic aptitude for UT admission. This has since been reduced to the top 8% and will likely go down to 7% soon. The idea of exempting 75% of all UT freshmen admissions from academic competition (outside of their HS peers) and then using self-declaring racial/ethnic minority status as a "boost" factor for the remaining 25% of "fair" academic admissions surely makes it more difficult for those that are not getting that "boost" to get into UT.
    Please rural whites get into UT with less than stellar scores all the time because of the 10 percent rule.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I can buy that, but even so, they don't ask for documentation at any stage. And even if they did, at what point is it not enough? Does the one drop rule apply? I'm 1/16 Persian, can I claim minority status? That's not a rhetorical question, btw.
    I don't think it applies further than 1/4th for most people. Only natives get to claim the 1/16th thing. However, this is all moot. This Fisher person had an average GPA, with an average SAT, and tried to get into an university that only accepts 50% of the people who apply. She failed to get into a program which would have automatically admitted her and then she blamed the darkies for it. It's just another case of a white person being unable to compete in the 21st century and chalking it up to 'reverse racism'.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    The top 10 percent thing is state law and benefits white rural students.

    UT is TX most sought after school. It is hard to get in. 3.6 is ok not great. Her SAT was mediocre.
    That may be true but, under the 10% scheme, latino admissions to the University of Texas went from 14% to 24% (a nearly 60% increase) of the total - that was the goal of "diversity", not to allow the some of the rural minority to jump the urban/suburban majority in gaining UT admission.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That may be true but, under the 10% scheme, latino admissions to the University of Texas went from 14% to 24% (a nearly 60% increase) of the total - that was the goal of "diversity", not to allow the some of the rural minority to jump the urban/suburban majority in gaining UT admission.
    Latino population is rising so admissions will as well.

    Also, like I pointed out earlier it is easy for whites to check latino.

    Small rural white schools benefit a great deal from the 10 percent rule.

    If you graduate from a class of 30 and are in the top 10 with a 3.2 it still counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't think it applies further than 1/4th for most people. Only natives get to claim the 1/16th thing. However, this is all moot. This Fisher person had an average GPA, with an average SAT, and tried to get into an university that only accepts 50% of the people who apply. She failed to get into a program which would have automatically admitted her and then she blamed the darkies for it. It's just another case of a white person being unable to compete in the 21st century and chalking it up to 'reverse racism'.
    Oh yeah I know the OP is bunk, I'm just curious about my situation. I don't know if my grandpa or great grandpa came over from Persia but I assumed both were close enough to me to recognize official heritage and therefore self-identification of ethnicity.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That may be true but, under the 10% scheme, latino admissions to the University of Texas went from 14% to 24% (a nearly 60% increase) of the total - that was the goal of "diversity", not to allow the some of the rural minority to jump the urban/suburban majority in gaining UT admission.
    Has the diversity in graduates retained the diversity in admissions?

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    I've never understood trying to purposefully "diversify" universities. Why not base it strictly on performance on standardized tests?
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    The top 10 percent thing is state law and benefits white rural students.

    UT is TX most sought after school. It is hard to get in. 3.6 is ok not great. Her SAT was mediocre.
    Doesn't make it any better a policy for the reason I stated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    As I'm looking to get a post-graduate degree, I'm genuinely curious if my "white" appearance would be taken into account upon meeting in person, and how that would affect my application, if I actually checked a "minority" box on the application. This article claims that I would be "entitled to self-identify any race and the University [would] not ever question that determination". But do we really think that's true? If that is the case, then what is the point of even considering race, and what is preventing everyone from self-identifying as a minority in order to get the URM bump?
    I sort of think the same way. IIRC, race was optional information when I applied to grad school.

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