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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    But if you remove the "compensatory mandates" while the glass ceiling is still in place, you're just back to unopposed discrimination.
    Which is why we do everyone in our country a disservice by electing people who wish to sustain either.

    If we attack hard the glass ceilings in the court of public opinion we will eliminate the need for compensatory mandates.

    But if we don't address the glass ceilings in the court of public opinion, we perpetuate the dualism via compensatory mandates.

    I don't know what the solution is, short or long term, but I know it doesn't involve electing the same ol' liberals one term and conservatives the next, back and forth, back and forth.

    The great majority of Americans decry the dualism that perpetuates racism.

    A centrist approach of effective denouncing of glass ceilings coupled with a corresponding phase out of compensatory mandates will help to end racism.

    But as long as liberals are appealing to race in their politicking, and conservatives are appealing to race in their corporate managings, we have little hope of ending racism as long as these two polarized dualistic extremes retain pendulum-swing power.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Yeah, doesn't surprise me at all. They are not going to strike down affirmative action on a bad judgment call by a school and the girl was apparently solid enough of a student as to where she should have been admitted. Arguing that a 3.6 GPA is bad is pretty weak position taken by the school. the top 10% things is a little weird--if you go to a really bad school, you could get automatically admitted with a 2.5 GPA but if you went to a really good school, you could not get the same slot with a 3.7
    The top 10 percent thing is state law and benefits white rural students.

    UT is TX most sought after school. It is hard to get in. 3.6 is ok not great. Her SAT was mediocre.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    As I'm looking to get a post-graduate degree, I'm genuinely curious if my "white" appearance would be taken into account upon meeting in person, and how that would affect my application, if I actually checked a "minority" box on the application. This article claims that I would be "entitled to self-identify any race and the University [would] not ever question that determination". But do we really think that's true? If that is the case, then what is the point of even considering race, and what is preventing everyone from self-identifying as a minority in order to get the URM bump?
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    As I'm looking to get a post-graduate degree, I'm genuinely curious if my "white" appearance would be taken into account upon meeting in person, and how that would affect my application, if I actually checked a "minority" box on the application. This article claims that I would be "entitled to self-identify any race and the University [would] not ever question that determination". But do we really think that's true? If that is the case, then what is the point of even considering race, and what is preventing everyone from self-identifying as a minority in order to get the URM bump?
    You can check any box and will have no problem.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    You can check any box and will have no problem.
    Isn't that essentially lying on an application?
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Isn't that essentially lying on an application?
    Well, that's the whole problem, isn't it? If I'm allowed to select the box where I self-identify, then in order to prove that I'm lying, they would need to prove that I am claiming that I self-identify as something that I really don't. And how would anyone ever prove that?

    I suppose they could look at my tax forms or something, but then again, so far as I know, there isn't any rule or law against changing how you self-identify, so even that wouldn't be conclusive proof.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Isn't that essentially lying on an application?
    Only if you are indeed lying. They must prove it. A white person shouldn't claim to be black but latino is easy.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Only if you are indeed lying. They must prove it. A white person shouldn't claim to be black but latino is easy.
    Actually, a white person could easily self-identify as black without problem. Someone who is 1/16 or even 1/4 black could "look" very white.

    Then again, who determines what "white" looks like?
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Well, that's the whole problem, isn't it? If I'm allowed to select the box where I self-identify, then in order to prove that I'm lying, they would need to prove that I am claiming that I self-identify as something that I really don't. And how would anyone ever prove that?

    I suppose they could look at my tax forms or something, but then again, so far as I know, there isn't any rule or law against changing how you self-identify, so even that wouldn't be conclusive proof.
    I don't think that's what they mean as self-indentifying. I think the question has more to do with at what point can you continue to identify with a certain lineage? That's why they asked about the 1/4th or 1/8th thing.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't think that's what they mean as self-indentifying. I think the question has more to do with at what point can you continue to identify with a certain lineage? That's why they asked about the 1/4th or 1/8th thing.
    I can buy that, but even so, they don't ask for documentation at any stage. And even if they did, at what point is it not enough? Does the one drop rule apply? I'm 1/16 Persian, can I claim minority status? That's not a rhetorical question, btw.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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