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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This post shows a complete ignorance of what the standards in history courses actually are. History has standards for development as well as methodology for teaching. It's not an arbitrarily graded course anymore than mathematics is. If you want to claim there are bad teachers that grade it arbitrarily, like say those who uses Texas schoolbooks, you could - however, it's not an arbitrary course. You can't claim the history of the world started 6000 years ago. You can't have anachronistic essays. You can't even so much as use the work of others without using strict guidelines. It's not the trivia based course you make it out to be. It's a lot more complicated than that.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I wouldn't say that necessarily. If your looking at an A- student who was in a couple of clubs versus a B student who was President of a couple of clubs and on a sports team, I'd take the B student over the A-.
    We'll agree to disagree, then.

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    Not to mention, if the kid is unprepared for the program, little changes by forcing him through the admittance process.

    We are talking band-aid solutions here
    I guess. Not 100% clear how this addresses my post.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    There's not exactly a glut of cheap housing in rural areas. Other than that it's a great solution, why don't they just move?
    so we make a full circle back to my original argument. Its a economic issue and not an issue of race. A poor white kid has the same disadvantages as a poor black kid

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You're guessing. It's a competitive school and that's not a good SAT score. "Shoe in" my ass. But you can play hypothetical race cards all you want if it makes you feel better.

    Ginsburg's comment wasn't regarding the student. It was regarding the systems in place.
    By UT's own figures her SAT scores were above the 25 percentile of students that matriculated. Her grade point average indicates nearly straight A's. I don't know where this nonsense about her not being competitive comes from except from lying UT lawyers. It's BS and you all know it.

    Let's consider why SCOTUS sent the case back to the lower court. The issue was whether or not it was proper to consider race at all in this case. SCOTUS determined that UT had not established that consideration of race was necessary. And so race obviously was an issue germane to this student's admission! If it had been established that consideration of race was irrelevant then whether or not it was proper to consider race would be moot. But it's not moot, it was the whole issue the Court's decision hinged on. The Court tacitly rejected UT's argument that her record rendered her inadmissible regardless of race, and here you are trying to use the argument the Court rejected.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    so nothing is keeping them from living in rural areas correct?

    Im asking all these questions to try to fond out how is discriminating by location is also discriminating by race when you can change your location

    there are many programs that benefit inner city and not rural areas are they also discriminating by race
    There are affirmative action laws that benefit whites. The 10 percent law does. There are also affirmative action laws that benefit others. So whites are not discriminated agsinst.

    Rural whites benefit a whole lot.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    so we make a full circle back to my original argument. Its a economic issue and not an issue of race. A poor white kid has the same disadvantages as a poor black kid
    Correct and the white kid has the same advantage of Affirmative Action.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    By UT's own figures her SAT scores were above the 25 percentile of students that matriculated. Her grade point average indicates nearly straight A's. I don't know where this nonsense about her not being competitive comes from except from lying UT lawyers. It's BS and you all know it.

    Let's consider why SCOTUS sent the case back to the lower court. The issue was whether or not it was proper to consider race at all in this case. SCOTUS determined that UT had not established that consideration of race was necessary. And so race obviously was an issue germane to this student's admission! If it had been established that consideration of race was irrelevant then whether or not it was proper to consider race would be moot. But it's not moot, it was the whole issue the Court's decision hinged on. The Court tacitly rejected UT's argument that her record rendered her inadmissible regardless of race, and here you are trying to use the argument the Court rejected.
    I am rejecting your premise that her being black would have been a "shoe in." You are reading much beyond that, apparently. It is possible she would have got in being black. It's also possible that she wouldn't have been. Her SAT score is mediocre. At her level, the variability is going to come from extra curricular activities, entry essays (if UT does those), recommendations, etc. And you know what? Plenty of black kids with those scores didn't get in either.

    It would be really awesome if race weren't a factor at all, like in magical fairy land. But we don't live there, we live in the real world where two identical resumes with the names Jim and Jamal on them leave Jim as vastly more likely to be called for an interview.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Correct and the white kid has the same advantage of Affirmative Action.
    no they don't because affirmative action is about race not economic status. its about racial diversity not economic status diversity

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Her SAT score is mediocre.
    With her SAT score she beat over ~30% of the students who matriculated at UT. So, WHY didn't she get in? EH? WHY?

    You and I both know why.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    no they don't because affirmative action is about race not economic status. its about racial diversity not economic status diversity
    Meh same thing. One benefits whites one not.

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