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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    And can you tell me with surety which campus that pic was taken at?

    All I can say is that I was there, at the main campus for four years, and regardless of that photo, which actually may well be the 25 I saw in my years there... I know what I experienced and saw. And it was not really an integrated college as a whole, only in the areas mentioned. If that was the awareness committee, it wouldn't surprise me at all if those were essentially all the non-uniformed blacks at the college, probably even included the jocks.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Race shouldn't play a factor into which kids with a crappy SAT score and average GPA students get into the program though.
    Neither should the state you're from and yet, it does. Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Sure there is. A teenager can teach themselves things, too, you know. You can also test that. Just because calculus, physics, etc. may not be a part of his state's or county's curricula, doesn't mean the student shouldn't be tested on it, perhaps the student taught his- or herself calculus, physics, etc. ;shrug:
    The point of standardized testing is self evident, if the standard is subjective, it's not really a standard now is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    That would be a disaster. I think that 1+1=? has the same correct answer everywhere, but national testing doesn't have much utility outside the world of math........
    Sure it does. Science has standards. So do English and History. Even art courses have a standard that must be met in order to pass them.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sure it does. Science has standards. So do English and History. Even art courses have a standard that must be met in order to pass them.
    All of the others are arbitrary compared to math. Just because Washington DC decrees that everybody should know that estimates are that only 107 Billion or so humans in total have ever existed does not mean that has relevance to anybody or utility to anyone.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Favors those who live closer to campus and therefore their application arrives sooner in the mail if they are both mailed at the same time.
    I don't see how that constitutes geographic favoring on the part of the University. In fact, they already do this as there are student population ceilings. Processing applications in the order in which they come in is far more "fair" than racial considerations.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Neither should the state you're from and yet, it does. Go figure.
    Ideally, it shouldn't, but that's sort of to be expected. States want students who graduate their colleges to stay in state to increase that state's tax revenue. Considering they are, after all, subsidizing their tuition with tax revenue. Race, on the other hand, doesn't really offer any such benefit and creates a two tiered system of who got in based on their merit vs. who got in because of affirmative action. Everyone has a homefield advantage to some colleges. Not everyone has an advantage due to their race, and some are put at an inherent disadvantage through no fault of their own.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    All of the others are arbitrary compared to math. Just because Washington DC decrees that everybody should know that estimates are that only 107 Billion or so humans in total have ever existed does not mean that has relevance to anybody or utility to anyone.
    This post shows a complete ignorance of what the standards in history courses actually are. History has standards for development as well as methodology for teaching. It's not an arbitrarily graded course anymore than mathematics is. If you want to claim there are bad teachers that grade it arbitrarily, like say those who uses Texas schoolbooks, you could - however, it's not an arbitrary course. You can't claim the history of the world started 6000 years ago. You can't have anachronistic essays. You can't even so much as use the work of others without using strict guidelines. It's not the trivia based course you make it out to be. It's a lot more complicated than that.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Ideally, it shouldn't, but that's sort of to be expected.
    Wait, state based discrimination is okay but race based isn't because what? State based discrimination has had a lesser effect than race based discrimination at the same school that named one of its dorms after a KKK member? Nah. Save the Libertarian bull**** for somebody who cares about it.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Wait, state based discrimination is okay but race based isn't because what? State based discrimination has had a lesser effect than race based discrimination at the same school that named one of its dorms after a KKK member? Nah. Save the Libertarian bull**** for somebody who cares about it.
    Everyone lives in a state with state universities. Not everyone is a member of a protected race that is benefited by affirmative action.

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