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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good afternoon, ocean515.

    I'm not certain what's going on here, but it sounds like the dumbing-down in education has run into the brick wall of unwanted results! So can we expect that college courses will be made easier to complete, so no one's feelings are hurt? Sort of like giving every kid a trophy and a box of juice when they compete in sports?
    No the opposite is happening. UH raised its standards again. Now you cant even graduate with lower than 3.2. So her 3.5 is barely acceptable.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    I am being logical.

    You make an accusation. She had average grades and didnt get into a competitive school. I see no reason to think it was about race.
    In this case, I don't see much of an argument. You're right - her grades and scores were not of a caliber that justifies a spot in a competitive or prestigious institution.

    However, I have heard and seen of many cases where the minority with noticeably inferior scores getting a place that was refused a white applicant that was more qualified.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    In this case, I don't see much of an argument. You're right - her grades and scores were not of a caliber that justifies a spot in a competitive or prestigious institution.

    However, I have heard and seen of many cases where the minority with noticeably inferior scores getting a place that was refused a white applicant that was more qualified.
    I hear stories too, but like this one they dont seem to pan out.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    They actually did decide the case, but found a way to do it without setting precedence. They kicked it to the lower court with a warning for the lower court to be more strict on judging admissions policies that use race. Universities will have a much tougher time getting policies that use race as a factor past the courts any more. So the decision effectively ends AA without making the outright statement.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    I hear stories too, but like this one they dont seem to pan out.
    This one is different, unless minorities with even worse scores than these are getting in.

    If she had a 3.8 and a 1400 SAT, we'd be visiting this from a different vantage point...or at least I would be.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good afternoon, ocean515.

    I'm not certain what's going on here, but it sounds like the dumbing-down in education has run into the brick wall of unwanted results! So can we expect that college courses will be made easier to complete, so no one's feelings are hurt? Sort of like giving every kid a trophy and a box of juice when they compete in sports?
    Hi Polgara

    Hope your healing continues on track.

    I'm leaning towards your take (and concern). As I wrote, the elephant in the room is not so much the diversity in admissions, it's the carry through to graduation. Personally, I am appauled by the manipulation of these students with the false promises made to them about college.

    Imagine what happens to the person who takes on a student loan, enters college, and discovers they don't have the knowledge and skills to meet the requirements to advance. For many that means taking remedial classes just to get the the level of knowledge needed to take freshman level courses.

    The drop out rate for these student is almost impossible to obtain, although it's been getting better of late. To save face, activists are pushing for changes to the advancement and graduation requirements so these "diversity" students can move on, despite the fact they were unable to complete the requirements of their major.

    I find this insulting and extremely damaging to the graduates, who will soon discover they are no more prepared for a working career than the were for a college career when they first entered.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If they've got a bunch of students with equal qualifications, they may not have the room to accept them all. If there's 10 openings left, and 15 students with equal qualifications....well, how're you gonna pick? Random? But how do you know you don't get sued by the ones that lost out in the random draw?
    I'd pick them based on the order in which their applications were submitted and/or landed on my desk.

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    If there were other variables, then what is the court supposed to do?
    Issue a direct ruling on Affirmative Action itself.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

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    The Black Awareness Committee at A&M was created in 1970: Building Leaders, Living Traditions: The Memorial Student Center at Texas A ... - Amy L. Bacon - Google Books
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    Yeah, right, like the A&M archives is the best place for accuracy... I was there, I assure there weren't 25 black students at A&M proper, (there was of course A&M Prairieview as mentioned previously) except for those in uniform or those in sports for the entire 4 years I was there. Was I in every class in every bldg at every moment, no. But through a regular 5 year accounting program, which I did not complete the last year, not more than 25 as non-uni'd, non-sports, non-laborer did I see in classes, or on campus, or a Dudley's Draw, or at Dixie Chicken, or the bowling alley, or the mess hall, or the student union.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    No the opposite is happening. UH raised its standards again. Now you cant even graduate with lower than 3.2. So her 3.5 is barely acceptable.
    Good afternoon, captainawesome.

    I can hardly wait to see the charges of discrimination that will doubtless be forthcoming!

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good afternoon, captainawesome.

    I can hardly wait to see the charges of discrimination that will doubtless be forthcoming!
    There wont be. UH is already the most diverse university in the Nation. This is with ever higher standards.

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