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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

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    She would not have gotten in if she was black either. There were better students turned away from UH law of all races.
    I didn't see the university provided their applicants information in ranked order showing the cutoff line. Can you link to where that is?

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I didn't see the university provided their applicants information in ranked order showing the cutoff line. Can you link to where that is?
    Exactly so you dont know she got passed over for a less qualified applicant.

    She was an average student who didnt get into a competitive school.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

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    At issue here is whether or not minorities with equal or lesser grades and scores were admitted because of their race while Mrs. Fisher was removed from consideration for applying while white. The only good to come out of this decision is that a University's say-so is no longer good enough to establish an intent to create diversity through these policies. As if that justifies racism.
    If they've got a bunch of students with equal qualifications, they may not have the room to accept them all. If there's 10 openings left, and 15 students with equal qualifications....well, how're you gonna pick? Random? But how do you know you don't get sued by the ones that lost out in the random draw?

    Her qualifications were OK, but nothing special...

    When I was in HS, getting into the National Honor Society was something most of us wanted. There was a bottom basement floor of an 85 average to get in, meaning that if you had an 84 you didn't get in no matter what else you did. A friend of mine had an 85 average and his only extracurricular was intramural bowling, but he felt that he should have gotten in because he met the minimum requirement. A lot of things were considered.

    This chick wasn't exactly a superstar. She was alright - she almost made the automatic admission (top 10%) but not quite. So the question then is, what differentiates her? Why pick her and not another student? Do you take the slightly lower GPA with more extracurriculars of a black student over the slightly higher GPA with fewer extracurriculars of a white student? It's hard to make a case either way. Now if she could prove that the ONLY reason was race, that's a case. If there were other variables, then what is the court supposed to do?


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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Exactly so you dont know she got passed over for a less qualified applicant.

    She was an average student who didnt get into a competitive school.
    And neither do you, so quit trying to make your opinion off as fact.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    And neither do you, so quit trying to make your opinion off as fact.
    I am being logical.

    You make an accusation. She had average grades and didnt get into a competitive school. I see no reason to think it was about race.

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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    You assume a white was crossed over. I wasn't and don't know any that were. The minority students I know seem to be high achievers.

    There are still more whites in UH law than all other races. I bet UT is still mostly white too.
    That is precisely what this court case was to decide. I only assume that the allegation made in this case merits fair examination. Simply because the NBA has blacks overrepresented does not mean that any whites were discriminated against, that is not what is being discussed. What is being discussed is if race/geographic location of your residence (HS) within the state is being considered when only academic acheivement should be considered. Quotas, whether using your individual race directly or only the racial make-up of your neighborhood (still very closely related), have been deemed to be illegal racial discrimination whether used for the "good" or not.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If they've got a bunch of students with equal qualifications, they may not have the room to accept them all. If there's 10 openings left, and 15 students with equal qualifications....well, how're you gonna pick? Random? But how do you know you don't get sued by the ones that lost out in the random draw?

    Her qualifications were OK, but nothing special...

    When I was in HS, getting into the National Honor Society was something most of us wanted. There was a bottom basement floor of an 85 average to get in, meaning that if you had an 84 you didn't get in no matter what else you did. A friend of mine had an 85 average and his only extracurricular was intramural bowling, but he felt that he should have gotten in because he met the minimum requirement. A lot of things were considered.

    This chick wasn't exactly a superstar. She was alright - she almost made the automatic admission (top 10%) but not quite. So the question then is, what differentiates her? Why pick her and not another student? Do you take the slightly lower GPA with more extracurriculars of a black student over the slightly higher GPA with fewer extracurriculars of a white student? It's hard to make a case either way. Now if she could prove that the ONLY reason was race, that's a case. If there were other variables, then what is the court supposed to do?
    This is an academic environment, so I'd go with the academics over some extra-curriculars.
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    Re: Supreme Court punts on affirmative action case

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Thanks for that. A very quick glance indicates graduation rates are as big a concern to UT as they are in the California State, and University of California campuses.

    What has been discovered here is that a disproportionate number of freshman who were admitted through diversity programs have had very difficult times meeting the basic core knowledge levels needed to advance.

    In far too many cases, these students have taken on student loans to pay for the initial tuition expense, only to drop out later when they discover they were ill prepared for the depth of skill and knowledge required in college level courses.

    This seems to be the elephant in the room when it comes to affirmative action programs related to college entrance programs. It's also a statistic that seems to be difficult for many administrators to discuss.

    At least they have recognized the challenge at UT, based on the link you provided.
    Good afternoon, ocean515.

    I'm not certain what's going on here, but it sounds like the dumbing-down in education has run into the brick wall of unwanted results! So can we expect that college courses will be made easier to complete, so no one's feelings are hurt? Sort of like giving every kid a trophy and a box of juice when they compete in sports?

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