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    U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    From WaPo:

    Snowden was charged with theft, “unauthorized communication of national defense information” and “willful communication of classified communications intelligence information to an unauthorized person,” according to the complaint. The last two charges were brought under the 1917 Espionage Act.

    The complaint, which initially was sealed, was filed in the Eastern District of Virginia, a jurisdiction where Snowden’s former employer, Booz Allen Hamilton, is headquartered and a district with a long track record of prosecuting cases with national security implications. After The Washington Post reported the charges, senior administration officials said late Friday that the Justice Department was barraged with calls from lawmakers and reporters and decided to unseal the criminal complaint.

    U.S. charges Snowden with espionage - The Washington Post

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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    And in bizarre circumstances the patriot is kicking it in communist land after informing (or rather confirming) the people that the US government operating in authoritarian fashion... Now he can't come back and is stuck with communists who obviously want to know what he knows...

    This is the type of **** that happens when you expose this POS authoritarian government - you end up in China - The land where Mao is still held in extremely high regard with force and where Stalin is considered a comrade..

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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    I read that Snowden may be heading for Iceland. Had we charged him with theft, we would have had a chance to extradite him. As it is, probably not - at least not from Iceland. That's the opinion of Allen Dershowitz.

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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    From U.S. News & World Report:

    An Icelandic businessman is offering to transport Edward Snowden to the island nation aboard a chartered jet if Iceland's government grants asylum to the man who exposed the National Security Agency's massive harvesting of Internet and phone records.

    "Everything is ready on our side and the plane could take off tomorrow,'' DataCell executive Olafur Sigurvinsson told Iceland's Channel 2 television station, Agence France-Presse reports.

    ...Sigurvinsson said the jet is owned by a Chinese company and was chartered for $240,000, which was raised with donations to DataCell, a Web company that processes credit card payments to WikiLeaks. His Twitter page says he's the company's chief operating officer.

    "We could fly Snowden over tomorrow if we get positive reaction from the Interior Ministry," Sigurvinsson told Reuters. "We need to get confirmation of asylum and that he will not be extradited to the U.S."

    Snowden would be most secure in Iceland if the country gave him citizenship, according to his Icelandic advocates.

    Iceland-Bound Jet for Edward Snowden 'Could Take Off Tomorrow' - US News and World Report

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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    And in bizarre circumstances the patriot is kicking it in communist land after informing (or rather confirming) the people that the US government operating in authoritarian fashion... Now he can't come back and is stuck with communists who obviously want to know what he knows...

    This is the type of **** that happens when you expose this POS authoritarian government - you end up in China - The land where Mao is still held in extremely high regard with force and where Stalin is considered a comrade..
    I'm under the impression you don't really understand anything about China/have never been to China

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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I read that Snowden may be heading for Iceland. Had we charged him with theft, we would have had a chance to extradite him. As it is, probably not - at least not from Iceland. That's the opinion of Allen Dershowitz.
    As I understand it, the extadition treaty with Hong Kong does not include "political" crimes - this would be considered one.

    Secondly, as I understand it, there are people in Iceland actively trying to secure the agreement of the government there to ensure Snowden is protected if he transfers there and that there is a private plane ready to fly him non-stop there and that the $300,000 to $500,000 cost of that flight is being covered by sympathizers in the US and other parts of the world.

    What the US is doing is not popular world-wide and in many parts of the US as well. In my view, this is a lose-lose situation for the administration.
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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As I understand it, the extadition treaty with Hong Kong does not include "political" crimes - this would be considered one.

    Secondly, as I understand it, there are people in Iceland actively trying to secure the agreement of the government there to ensure Snowden is protected if he transfers there and that there is a private plane ready to fly him non-stop there and that the $300,000 to $500,000 cost of that flight is being covered by sympathizers in the US and other parts of the world.

    What the US is doing is not popular world-wide and in many parts of the US as well. In my view, this is a lose-lose situation for the administration.
    The administration seems to be backed into an ugly corner with this, and it seems they aren't helping themselves much in that regard. That they could've charged Snowden with a lesser crime and successfully extradited him makes me wonder if they aren't trying to further demonize the guy, keep him out of the country, and put the whole thing on a back burner. That's been their general approach to all the recent, and not so recent, revelations.

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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I read that Snowden may be heading for Iceland. Had we charged him with theft, we would have had a chance to extradite him. As it is, probably not - at least not from Iceland. That's the opinion of Allen Dershowitz.
    I heard Dershowitz say that as well. If he is right, the US might just have given Hong Kong the only possible excuse not to extradite him, as espionage is excluded from our extradition treaty with them. A dumb, dumb move on our part. We surely could have filed espionage charges after forcing Hong Kong to send him back.

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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I heard Dershowitz say that as well. If he is right, the US might just have given Hong Kong the only possible excuse not to extradite him, as espionage is excluded from our extradition treaty with them. A dumb, dumb move on our part. We surely could have filed espionage charges after forcing Hong Kong to send him back.
    It is dumb on the surface. I'm just wondering if the administration truly doesn't want him back, and that's why they didn't do the obvious. I'm saying obvious like I know what Dershowitz knows. I don't. But I have to believe that such a thing must have been considered. At least, I hope so. I'd hate to think the administration is that stupid.

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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    I admit to knowing nothing about Iceland's politics, but why would it consider taking Snowden in and possibly offering him citzenship?

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