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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I haven't been following this case as closely as I perhaps should. The big question that I think I need to know to fully understand is, just what did Mr. Snowden disclose, and to whom did he disclose it?

    As far as I am aware, the entire flap is about him having publicly disclosed facts about our federal government spying on its own citizens. If that is all he did, then I do not see how this can possibly be construed as “espionage”. I would think that “espionage” would have to consist of disclosing secret information of a militarily-sensitive nature, to a potential enemy that could use that information against us.

    Certainly, our government has no authority to spy on us in the manner that Mr. Snowden alleged, and if our government is doing so, then we certainly have every right to know about it and to demand that it cease to do so at once. If that is all that Mr. Snowden disclosed, then he has done nothing wrong, and there is certainly no valid basis on which to accuse him of “espionage”. Indeed, as a witness to illegal activity, he certainly had not only a right, but a duty to bring this activity to light.

    What am I missing here? Is there something else that Mr. Snowden disclosed, which somehow falls under some legitimate national security interest?

    I think this is what you're missing here.
    A little irony. Paragraphic oxymoron, a masterful stroke of gov't doublespeak. Judge for yourself.

    "The United States government charged former intelligence analyst Edward Snowden with spying on Friday, apparently unaware that in doing so it had created a situation dripping with irony. At a press conference to discuss the accusations, an N.S.A. spokesman surprised observers by announcing the spying charges against Mr. Snowden with a totally straight face.
    “These charges send a clear message,” the spokesman said. “In the United States, you can’t spy on people.”
    Seemingly not kidding, the spokesman went on to discuss another charge against Mr. Snowden—the theft of government documents: “The American people have the right to assume that their private documents will remain private and won’t be collected by someone in the government for his own purposes.”
    “Only by bringing Mr. Snowden to justice can we safeguard the most precious of American rights: privacy,” added the spokesman, apparently serious." U.S. Seemingly Unaware of Irony in Accusing Snowden of Spying : The New Yorker

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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    I don't know how the spokesperson said that with a straight face either.

    Meanwhile, Snowden's plane has entered Russian air space. From Reuters via Yahoo:

    MOSCOW (Reuters) - Former U.S. National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden is booked on a flight from Moscow to Cuba on Monday, Russian news agencies Interfax and Itar-Tass cited sources at Russian airline Aeroflot as saying on Sunday.

    Itar-Tass cited its source as saying Snowden would fly from Havana to the Venezuelan capital, Caracas.

    The Russian Foreign Ministry said it was looking into the situation and confirmed Snowden may be planning to travel through Moscow as a transit passenger en route to another destination. Snowden has ticket to Cuba, may go to Venezuela: Russian reports

    Yes, they're "looking into it."

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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Funny, we have a big Air Force base in Iceland.
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    U.S. charges Snowden with espionage

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Funny, we have a big Air Force base in Iceland.
    Not any more.
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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    I'm sure glad I'm not this guy. At least I have the illusion of living free and doing as I so choose with the rest of my life. He doesn't even have that.

    Have fun looking over your shoulder and sleeping with one eye open for the rest of your life Mr. Snowden.
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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Hero or Traitor? Does it even matter anymore?
    Here's the thing about guys like Snowden ... to me you can't call him a hero until you know his motivation.
    Yes ... I know he's put the best spin on why he did it but he's been acting otherwise along.
    That doesn't mean what he's disclosed wasn't important to know... but that alone doesn't earn him the "hero" label.

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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    I'm eyeballing that "Spy" button up on top here with renewed suspicion.

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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I'm eyeballing that "Spy" button up on top here with renewed suspicion.
    Good morning, humbolt.

    ! :

    Just add that suspicion to the ever-growing list! Isn't this fun?

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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, humbolt.

    ! :

    Just add that suspicion to the ever-growing list! Isn't this fun?
    Morning Pol. Hope that gimpy leg is improving and you'll soon be back in the tundra. At some point we're either going to be afraid to do anything at all, or alternatively we're going to anything and everything since the consequence will be the same either way. God bless the government, because it looks more and more like nobody else will.

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    re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    More tea partiers should follow their hero Edward Snowden's example and "self-deport" themselves to Venezuela, Cuba, or Russia, which are shining beacons of liberty and free speech in the world. I'll even offer to help tea partiers pack their bags.

    And pretty please take Michelle Bachmann and Glen Beck with you.
    Last edited by evan83; 06-23-13 at 12:40 PM.

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