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    Re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    This is the chat log with Adrian Lamo right before his huge disclosures of data:
    Wrong. That is the chat log that Lamo supplied.
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    Re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I admit to knowing nothing about Iceland's politics, but why would it consider taking Snowden in and possibly offering him citzenship?
    Why wouldn't they consider it?
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    Re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Found this tidbit in the Greenwald article interesting:

    Prior to Barack Obama's inauguration, there were a grand total of three prosecutions of leakers under the Espionage Act (including the prosecution of Dan Ellsberg by the Nixon DOJ). That's because the statute is so broad that even the US government has largely refrained from using it. But during the Obama presidency, there are now seven such prosecutions: more than double the number under all prior US presidents combined.
    On the Espionage Act charges against Edward Snowden | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
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    Re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    We need more Snowdens.

    He should be given an award. I respect him as an American myself. He's a good guy.
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    Re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Well, clearly if they thought the public would approve, then we have broken democracy. Democracy must be in working order for it to produce legitimate governance.
    The people don't have to approve. Honestly, the people don't know better. If the people had to approve everything, we'd just have direct democracy. We don't.

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    Re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Current problems are a direct result of the Patriot Act, not the historical rights that were more limited.
    Absolutely wrong. FISA was around before the Patriot Act. FISA doesn't deny ****. US citizen or not.
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    Re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The US is not the problem. It's the corrupt US regime.
    The American people elected this regime. It's up to the people to decide the direction a country takes, otherwise it's just geography.

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    Re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    We need more Snowdens.

    He should be given an award. I respect him as an American myself. He's a good guy.
    How do you know what information he gave to China and now Putin in Russia? Could there possibly be info that would make him a traitor to you? Or does that not matter?

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    Re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The American people elected this regime. It's up to the people to decide the direction a country takes, otherwise it's just geography.
    We elected the regime that started it because they claimed it was necessary to protect us. Did Bush lie to the American people about that too?

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    Re: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Your architect from is from Nicaragua, the country that Reagan/Bush terrorized. It's leader is Daniel Ortega, who was the leader of the Sandanistas that Reagan/Bush tried to kill. If anyone brought her freedom, it was Ortega, because we peddle oligarchical Dictatorships. We are collectively Americas, North and South and Central and Latin. The USA and Canada are also part of the Americas and neither is America.
    Neither Reagan or Bush terrorized Nicaragua. You have them confused with Communist dictators. Read 'The Black Book Of Communism' to get an idea of what this murderous system did, and especially the part about Nicaragua. It's a shame that there are still people unaware of the inhumanity Communists created during their 7 decade run.

    "The Americas" was not mentioned. Only Central America.

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