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IRS targeting linked to Republican staffer

sangha said:
I see. So now the guy who you claimed you had not reason to not believe, is now a person you don't believe

Just like how the "real problem" was how the IRS targeted people based solely on political ideology, until the "real problem" became how nothing was done about the problem (even though things were done to resolve the problems). :roll:
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I know you love these games but they get really old. Using your "logic" if this guy had decided to hang blacks because doing so would be consistent and he claimed that his purpose in doing so was simply a convenient way of grouping victims but in no way was it racial then he'd be justified.
 
Lutherf said:
I know you love these games but they get really old. Using your "logic" if this guy had decided to hang blacks because doing so would be consistent and he claimed that his purpose in doing so was simply a convenient way of grouping victims but in no way was it racial then he'd be justified.
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So now the IRS was hanging black people? :screwy:
 
danarhea said:
did you read the transcripts? I did. The fact that he is a Republican is supported by his own testimony, under oath. As for the rest of what you posted, that was good enough to put you on my ignore list for trolling. Buh bye.
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Oh please don't put me on ignore. You're hurting my feelings :2wave:

The IRS has already admitted it purposely targeted the Tea Party. This person can also claim they can fly too. Doesn't mean it's true. A Government that specifically targets citizens for their beliefs doesn't care about oaths or the truth. That much is obvious. Why would a "Conservative Republican" illegally disclose information about the Tea Party to ProPublica? A far left organization. This is some seriously desperate and laughable political theatre here. Cummings is a dishonest hack merely doing Obama's bidding and trying to provide political cover.

It doesn't change anything. It doesn't excuse or absolve the IRS of anything.

Lutherf said:
If the terms "Tea Party" and "Patriot" along with interests in limiting government overreach were the criteria while "organizing", "Progressive" expanding government were not part of those criteria then it was ABSOLUTELY targeting based on political ideology. That guy may not think so but he's wrong.
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Claiming that the Tea Party wasn't specifically targeted for their beliefs is beyond laughable and pathetically desperate. The IRS already admitted it. That won't stop dishonest posters like the OP and Sangha from defending and excusing tyranny and fascism however.
 
Michael66 said:
FAct is, more than half of the baggers are racists. That's what their real agenda is all about. I'm in the process of proving that now with one example of them being afraid to take a stand against another war. Simply because it would tend to be supportive of Obama in that he opposes the mainstream of the repub party.

But calling me a terrorist supporter is entirely different because the claim doesn't hold water and so it means nothing. if you would like to go the effort of substantiating that claim then I would probably be convinced to argue it.

Am I anti-American? No. I'm anti-American wars that are being waged for phony reasons and I see another one on the horizon. Are you anti-American for refusing to speak up and oppose them? Aren't the majority of your people opposed to another ME war?
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Please stop it with the "racists" bit. You are sounding like the little boy who cried wolf. This isn't about racism. This is about the GOP... in particular Issa, flubbing up an investigation by having a predetermined narrative laid out before the facts got there then found out that the facts don't support their narrative. It has nothing to do with race. The same **** happened when the GOP decided to "investigate" Clinton on a slew of non-scandals.
 
Bronson said:
Some desperate liberal spin going on here

The Federal Government used what are supposed to non partisan institutions to specifically target, harass and intimidate Americans based upon their beliefs. That is not in dispute. This information was released by Elijah Cummings who has made repeated contradictory statements and done everything in his power to brush this massive scandal under the rug. He's not even remotely a credible source.

This just shows how desperate The Left is to excuse and dismiss Fascism because their belief in their GodKing Messiah > The Constitution
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Right on Bronson. Don't worry about facts. If you want it to be Obama's fault all you have to do is:

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poweRob said:
Please stop it with the "racists" bit. You are sounding like the little boy who cried wolf. This isn't about racism. This is about the GOP... in particular Issa, flubbing up an investigation by having a predetermined narrative laid out before the facts got there then found out that the facts don't support their narrative. It has nothing to do with race. The same **** happened when the GOP decided to "investigate" Clinton on a slew of non-scandals.
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If there is no there there, why did the administration feel the need to plant an apology from the IRS?
 
Bronson said:
Claiming that the Tea Party wasn't specifically targeted for their beliefs is beyond laughable and pathetically desperate. The IRS already admitted it. That won't stop dishonest posters like the OP and Sangha from defending and excusing tyranny and fascism however.
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It really is kind of fascinating to watch. I mean, I've seen alcoholics that are less in denial than some of these folks.
 
Dickieboy said:
You don't seem to understand. IT IS already linked to Obama just as those on the left are making the counter assertion that Bush had the IRS target the NAACP...
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Who said Bush was responsible for that? Actually it was Senator Susan Collins and Representative Joe Scarborough who requested that the NAACP get investigated for having said something critical of a Bush policy.
 
poweRob said:
Please stop it with the "racists" bit. You are sounding like the little boy who cried wolf. This isn't about racism. This is about the GOP... in particular Issa, flubbing up an investigation by having a predetermined narrative laid out before the facts got there then found out that the facts don't support their narrative. It has nothing to do with race. The same **** happened when the GOP decided to "investigate" Clinton on a slew of non-scandals.
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No, the GOP has been marginalized due to their lack of any real direction. The only element that keeps them alive is the racist hate coming out of the south. Do a quick survey here on this forum on threads that are all about trying to destroy Obama and you will find the racist slime seeping out of them.

The GOP used to be about politics of the right until it was split down the middle by the racist filth of the bagger partiers. That is their whole mission in life and everything else is secondary to them. And it's abut damn time Americans started to see that and call it for what it is.

They can't have it both ways. They're either going to have to turf the racist slime of the baggers and the comelately libertarians or they are going to have to reform as a real political party of the right. There is only one recipe for success.

Unfortunately, the rabid extreme right baggers have the moderate right running scared right now. That needs to change before the people get a say again.
 
danarhea said:
You been living in a cave? Issa was attempting build a Watergate-like case, and it was full of nothing but conspiracy nuttiness. Here's a good link. You can also look at the transcripts of the hearings themselves, which I included in the OP.
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Perhaps I live in a different cave than you do. In my cave here is what Issa said:
CROWLEY: Do you come into this with a preconceived notion? Certainly a lot of the things we're getting at random news conferences is that Republicans, and you're leading this charge at least in your committee, really want to tie this to the White House, that you all are out to say this somehow happened at the White House, went to the IRS and the IRS did the president's bidding
ISSA: …We've never tried to tie things to the president, tie things to the cabinet officers. What we've tried to do is get the kinds of transparency we were promised, which we're not getting. And then try to get the reforms that we need so that government...
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CNN.com - Transcripts

I suppose you now can substantiate what Issa lied about?
 
Michael66 said:
The only element that keeps them alive is the racist hate coming out of the south.
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Can you offer real facts about this? Perhaps a link that doesn't direct someone to a left-wing blog? I'll wait.

Do a quick survey here on this forum on threads that are all about trying to destroy Obama and you will find the racist slime seeping out of them.
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I have, and you're overwhelmingly wrong.

[...] bagger partiers [...] baggers [...] comelately libertarians [...] extreme right baggers [...]
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It's posts like this that totally discredit anything you say. You might as well call them "poo-poo heads."
 
poweRob said:
Who said Bush was responsible for that? Actually it was Senator Susan Collins and Representative Joe Scarborough who requested that the NAACP get investigated for having said something critical of a Bush policy.
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Under the same context as I inferred...:

“I wish there was more GOP interest when I raised the same issue during the Bush administration, where they audited a progressive church in my district in what look liked a very selective way,” California Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff
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When the IRS targeted liberals - Salon.com

I can find many other sources but suffice to say the president generally gets the blame for any 'scandal' that occurs during his administration...rightly or wrongly.
 
I like that the tea party crowd thinks the IRS is the reason they had little influence in 2012. :lamo

Like, tell me how many votes you think were stopped because some of the far-right political groups had to pay taxes that year, and in which states.

Then tell me how many electoral votes would change hands.
 
Michael66 said:
No, the GOP has been marginalized due to their lack of any real direction. The only element that keeps them alive is the racist hate coming out of the south. Do a quick survey here on this forum on threads that are all about trying to destroy Obama and you will find the racist slime seeping out of them.

The GOP used to be about politics of the right until it was split down the middle by the racist filth of the bagger partiers. That is their whole mission in life and everything else is secondary to them. And it's abut damn time Americans started to see that and call it for what it is.

They can't have it both ways. They're either going to have to turf the racist slime of the baggers and the comelately libertarians or they are going to have to reform as a real political party of the right. There is only one recipe for success.

Unfortunately, the rabid extreme right baggers have the moderate right running scared right now. That needs to change before the people get a say again.
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Do you really believe that vehemently denigrating (using similarly abhorrent avowals which you protest) those whose opinions differ from yours will motivate them to see things your way? Further do you feel your posts exhibit the tolerance that those of you ilk commonly profess?
 
Deuce said:
I like that the tea party crowd thinks the IRS is the reason they had little influence in 2012. :lamo

Like, tell me how many votes you think were stopped because some of the far-right political groups had to pay taxes that year, and in which states.

Then tell me how many electoral votes would change hands.
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None...none...;)
 
Dickieboy said:
Perhaps I live in a different cave than you do. In my cave here is what Issa said:
CNN.com - Transcripts

I suppose you now can substantiate what Issa lied about?
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And then there's this:

“This was targeting of the president’s political enemies, effectively, and lies about it during the election year so that it wasn’t discovered until afterwards. … This process was deliberate, and it was repeated.”
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Rep. Issa Rips Obama Over IRS Scandal: ‘How Dare The Admin Imply’ They’ll ‘Get To The Bottom Of It’ | Mediaite

so much for there being no preconceived notions
 
danarhea said:
Show me the testimony which proves that. If it exists, it is in the 2 links I provided to the complete testimony given during the hearings. I read both links, and couldn't find what you are claiming. Perhaps you can do better?
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Here is a link that debunks this meme of yours:

IRS Abuse -- More Widespread than the Media Comprehend | National Review Online

As I said, it's way more extensive and involves much more of the IRS than is explained by this so called Republican employee.
 
danarhea said:
You can come up with all the conspiracy theories you want to, but they can't change what is in the actual hearing transcripts, which is testimony under oath, and even by a Republican who oversaw the IRS Cincinatti office.
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It's a fact that the IRS targetted Conservative groups for political reasons. This isn't a coincidence.
 
Obama isn't defending the IRS. The IRS isn't even defending the IRS, yet people on this website are.
 
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