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    Re: IRS targeting linked to Republican staffer

    when mr shafer referred apps back for "more information," did he instruct his agents to inquire about the content of applicants' prayers?

    who did?

    did mr shafer direct his workers to demand donor lists?

    who did?

    mr shafer said he did not instruct his officials to target tea and patriot groups

    who did?

    why does mr muthert testify he was directed to target tea apps by shafer?

    why did ms hofacre swear she was "micromanaged" by carter hull in washington?

    why did ms paz in dc request apps from cincy, why did ms hofacre send her superior in the capital 7?

    how did propublica get nam's records?

    did mr shafer contribute money to the romney campaign?

    more broadly---

    why can't obama say flatly when he learned what was going on at his irs for 2 years?

    why does he claim to have read it in the paper?

    how could his cos and white house counsel know and not their client?

    why did shulman and miller lie to congress, why did lerner plead the 5th?

    where is holly paz?

    why did the white house blame rogues outta cincy, even cummings today concedes it came from dc?

    why were obama's most pointed opponents picked out?

    and why were progressives given a pass?

    why has the admin's account gone thru so many tortuous tergiversations?

    why do half million dollar donors to ofa get to meet with the white house every 3 months?

    do you know how hard it is to get americans to say they're concerned their cic is a crook?

    cnn yesterday has 47% saying the president, like nixon, went after his enemies

    CNN Poll: Did White House order IRS targeting? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

    that's 10% more than felt that way in may

    this is a poll, mind you, of american adults

    that is, if we were asking likely voters, or even those merely registered, we'd top 50

    if the white house continues to fail to answer the bottom line questions above, what will those surveys suggest next month?

    why do cnn's gloria borger and jon king, natl journal's ron fournier, msnbc's richard todd and many more friends or former friends of this white house urge obama to come clean, for his and their good?

    has he?

    stay tuned

    this does not appear to be political, but bungling
    you don't know that, you're prejudging

    why?

    are you prejudiced?
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    Re: IRS targeting linked to Republican staffer

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Kind of depends on whether progressive groups were equally selected out. No word on that after all the so-called investigations.

    Still, I'm happy to say that the tea party was targeted, now that it's clear a GOP operative was behind the targeting. Looks more and more like a Nixonian GOP dirty trick, perhaps linked to Issa.

    Shouldn't we investigate that?
    Should be easy enough to find out. OFA hasn't applied yet, but since they have 2 years to apply, I'm betting they will wait till their limit and disband. If they did apply, they should get red-flagged immediately since they don't qualify as a 501(c)4 since their primary goal is political.

    Also, not sure how an individual can be called a "GOP operative" simply by identifying themselves as a Republican, quite a stretch there. His testimony is at odds with others at the Cincinnati office who stated, under penalty of perjury, that they were pressured from the IRS office in Washingon to target Tea Party groups

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    Re: IRS targeting linked to Republican staffer

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Of course not

    It's proof that even "self-described conservative republicans" were conspiring to defeat Romney
    And what proof do you have he was a republican? because Cummings says so? why would any one want to believe Cummings? he already lied about what that so called republican said so why should we believe Cummings when he says he is a republican?

    this is what Cummings claimed the manerger said

    "This Republican manager said there was no White House involvement, no political involvement, none of that. He made the decision doing the best he could to have some kind of consistency."

    and this is actually what the manager said

    The IRS manager, who was not named by the committee, said, “I am not aware of that,” when asked directly about a political bias or political motivations behind the targeting of conservative groups. And he said he had “no reason to believe” that the White House was involved in the decision to target conservatives.

    big difference between “I am not aware of that,”“no reason to believe” and "there was no White House involvement, no political involvement"

    so if Cumming will lie about what the so called conservative said he will lie about him being a conservative

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    Re: IRS targeting linked to Republican staffer

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Any old timer here will tell you that I was one of the very first to oppose Bush's war in Iraq. And, who the hell is "my people"? Fact is, you are nothing but a hack.
    I'm not questioning you on being against the Iraq war. Otherwise, just stop short of the personal insults when you address me and everybody will be happy. And your people would be Americans and I didn't make any further distinction than that. Are you hearing voices?

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    Re: IRS targeting linked to Republican staffer

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I agree. I am a fiscal conservative. Also, on the social side, I am pro-life, pro-gun and anti-government cheese. However, I do not feel the need to cram my conservative-side beliefs down the throats of my fellow American's and mandate that they live by my personal beliefs. That makes me, technically, according to extreme righties, a liberal.

    I believe the GOP has became too dependent on the social conservatives, which mainstream, middle-of-the-road people (read; majority,) just seem to love to hate, and it is costing them dearly. But they are between the proverbial rock and hard place. If they cast away the social conservatives and Tea Party types from their flock, will there be enough moderates to fill the void? With with the recent "GOP obstruction" attitudes people have towards the GOP, and given the republican led congress disapproval numbers, would shunning the TP'er's even be enough to save their sinking ship?


    Yes, the GOP has some hard decisions to make in the near future. I wish them well. Imagine how this country would be if the democrats had full control. I shutter to think about that. I hope when the smoke clears and cooler heads start prevailing, the GOP can fulfill it's potential and get back in step with America. But it helps them none when America identifies the likes of Palin, Bachmann, Perry, Cruz and FOXNews when they think of the GOP. They need to repair that brand image as well.
    If they cast away the Tea Party AND the social conservatives, they'd be the exact opposite of who they are now and that would put them to the left of the Democrats. All of the moderates would flock to the Democrats. If they're gonna ditch one or the other, it should be the social conservatives. These data agree with me. Fewer Americans Identify as Economic Conservatives in 2013 . IOW, the GOP needs to be more libertarian.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: IRS targeting linked to Republican staffer

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Kind of depends on whether progressive groups were equally selected out. No word on that after all the so-called investigations.
    Yes, after all the investigating, there's no evidence that left leaning groups were scrutinized the way that right leaning groups were.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: IRS targeting linked to Republican staffer

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Oh FFS....

    Without regard to who started the targeting or why we have seen and heard several top level officials who acknowledged that they were aware that the targeting was going on and did nothing about it. That's unacceptable under any circumstances. If nobody informed the White House that doesn't mean that the White House is guiltless in this. Oversight starts at the top and if the top has opted to insulate itself rather than lead then it becomes nothing more than a pawn of the infrastructure beneath it.
    True

    The fact that republicans lied is unimportant. The fact that the Obama administration did not lie is not important

    What's important is that Obama get the blame, one way or another. It's a matter of principle!
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    Re: IRS targeting linked to Republican staffer

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Should be easy enough to find out. OFA hasn't applied yet, but since they have 2 years to apply, I'm betting they will wait till their limit and disband. If they did apply, they should get red-flagged immediately since they don't qualify as a 501(c)4 since their primary goal is political.

    Also, not sure how an individual can be called a "GOP operative" simply by identifying themselves as a Republican, quite a stretch there. His testimony is at odds with others at the Cincinnati office who stated, under penalty of perjury, that they were pressured from the IRS office in Washingon to target Tea Party groups
    Basically Issa blamed Obama for IRS staffers, so your crocodile tears are noted. We know that a conservative Republican was behind this "scandal". Reason enough now to investigate whether GOP higher ups were involved. You can't have your partisan cake and eat it too.

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    Re: IRS targeting linked to Republican staffer

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Predictable. It was a GOP operative all along. Either he was trying to create a fake scandal that he knew Issa would pick up (perhaps working with him -- that should be investigated) or he was trying to harm the tea party because it deflated GOP electoral prospects (again perhaps while working with the GOP leadership).

    We need to investigate the GOP connection with this, starting with Issa.
    Paranoia will destroy 'ya. LOL.
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    Re: IRS targeting linked to Republican staffer

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Paranoia will destroy 'ya. LOL.
    I can almost hear Issa humming that.

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