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Lewis Points Finger At ‘Rich White People’ For School Problems [W:178]

Texmex said:
I'll let you figure that one out. It shouldn't be too difficult, even for you.
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Oh come on. Where's this brave brave Texmex of yesterpost?

Texmex said:
I don't care what politically correct speak is, the truth is the truth whether or not you or your ilk want to accept it or not. I will not let what is accepted dictate what I say, post or believe.
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I guess you will have society dictate what you say.
 
poweRob said:
Neither I nor anyone else prior to your post ever said anything about Africa. So... back to America... In your opinion, are black AMERICANS an inferior race?
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How are Black Americans a different race from Africans?

There seems to be a great deal of confusion among some groups as to what is race and what is religion and what is race and what is culture, yet it is these same people who are most likely to use the term 'racist'.
 
poweRob said:
Neither I nor anyone else prior to your post ever said anything about Africa. So... back to America... In your opinion, are black AMERICANS an inferior race?
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As already noted, but worth repeating, just what is this new race "black Americans" ? Or is this just a Freudian slip by the left in their desperation to make it so, seeing as the "black American" is wallowing in its own uniquely deficient culture ?

I think it would be far more accurate Rob is you called them "liberal American blacks". Can even make it a check-box on the next Census forms (LAB). It would then be so much easier to understand the cultural morass they have created.
 
Texmex said:
No, they've had enough time to improve their lives. The reason they don't is it takes too much work.
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The only card in the Cons hand in these discussions: blame blacks.
 
rocket88 said:
The problem lies in income disparities.
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My folks weren't rich, I'm black and I can read and write. I've always had a job. The problem lies at the feet of those people who constantly make lame ass excuses for the ills of the Black Community in America.
 
rocket88 said:
The only card in the Cons hand in these discussions: blame blacks.
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Not true, blame laziness. Of course I don't expect you to think a poor person should actually work to improve their lives. It is a lot easier to blame things that happen hundreds of years ago to people long dead. After all, everyone should have the exact same opportunities with exactly the same starting point and with exactly the same circumstances.

It is sometimes difficult to communicate with someone who is against personal responsibility.
 
apdst said:
My folks weren't rich, I'm black and I can read and write. I've always had a job. The problem lies at the feet of those people who constantly make lame ass excuses for the ills of the Black Community in America.
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While I do agree that blacks need to take more responsibility for themselves, it's still a fact that inner-city schools aren't as good as other public schools. It's probably going a bit far to call it "racism," but that does impact the black community disproportionately.

Blame whatever you like, but the fact is that the education systems have failed city residents.
 
Texmex said:
Not true, blame laziness. Of course I don't expect you to think a poor person should actually work to improve their lives. It is a lot easier to blame things that happen hundreds of years ago to people long dead. After all, everyone should have the exact same opportunities with exactly the same starting point and with exactly the same circumstances.

It is sometimes difficult to communicate with someone who is against personal responsibility.
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I know, Conservatives can be so hard to talk to when they're convinced that they're being persecuted.
 
Misterveritis said:
Maybe he is the Bill Clinton of Chicago. Clinton was our first black president. Wasn't he?
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According to some article I read,he claimed he was called the N-word at the Foster Avenue beach once. Of course,like any politician's story,it was probably a lie.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
What blame does the Chicago's Teachers Union share in the problem with Chicago public schools? Be specific and show causation.
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Well there is this.
Lewis reminisced about her teaching days, when she would lie to parents when it came time to discuss their child’s performance. She then said – because of her lies – the student became her “hostage” who would do what she wanted.
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“Do you have an insane principal?” she said, to laughs and clapping. “Anybody have an insane principal? Take ‘em out. What that means is remove them, by the way, Fox News … How do you do that? You organize to make their lives so miserable.”
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So yeah, I would say they are putting their own interests before those of their students. Pathetic really.

Chicago Teachers Union President Laughs About Lying to Parents, Turning Students Into
 
rocket88 said:
While I do agree that blacks need to take more responsibility for themselves, it's still a fact that inner-city schools aren't as good as other public schools. It's probably going a bit far to call it "racism," but that does impact the black community disproportionately.

Blame whatever you like, but the fact is that the education systems have failed city residents.
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You're right, but both suck. One is just failing with a D and the other is failing with an F.
 
ReformCollege said:
Well there is this.

So yeah, I would say they are putting their own interests before those of their students. Pathetic really.

Chicago Teachers Union President Laughs About Lying to Parents, Turning Students Into
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I asked, "What blame does the Chicago's Teachers Union share in the problem with Chicago public schools? Be specific and show causation."

I did not say, "Show me an article from a conservative website that takes the President of CTU's words out of context, but doesn't demonstrate how the union contributes to the problems with Chicago public schools."

Here are examples of what I meant when I asked, "What blame does the Chicago's Teachers Union share in the problem with Chicago public schools? Be specific and show causation.":

A non-partisan study showing that the teacher's union has hurt the Chicago public schools.
A policy that the teacher's union pushed for that is demonstrable bad for schools.

Can you provide that or something similar or not?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I asked, "What blame does the Chicago's Teachers Union share in the problem with Chicago public schools? Be specific and show causation."

I did not say, "Show me an article from a conservative website that takes the President of CTU's words out of context, but doesn't demonstrate how the union contributes to the problems with Chicago public schools."

Here are examples of what I meant when I asked, "What blame does the Chicago's Teachers Union share in the problem with Chicago public schools? Be specific and show causation.":

A non-partisan study showing that the teacher's union has hurt the Chicago public schools.
A policy that the teacher's union pushed for that is demonstrable bad for schools.

Can you provide that or something similar or not?
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And why would anyone make that effort for you ? Spend 20-30 minutes or more for what purpose ?

The minds of most posters here are already made-up. The only question is whether their opinions are rooted in fact (Conservative) or emotion (Liberal). I know from numerous experiences that trying to educate a liberal with facts is to chase one's tail.

What has not been supported here with a shred of evidence is the original claim by Lewis. That would be the topic of this thread.
 
rocket88 said:
I know, Conservatives can be so hard to talk to when they're convinced that they're being persecuted.
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I don't think I am being persecuted. I have found, however, that much of the black community has been told a lie that they have been persecuted to such a degree that only with handouts can they achieve anything in their lives.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Good to know. I know what to expect now.
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Except you were proven wrong. Listening to sangha, a known troll, won't save you from that. Just admit you got it wrong and move on.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
What a joke. Did it ever occur to you that it is the primary job of both ? DUH !!!!
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So trivially obvious I always assume he's trolling, only to be told he's really being serious.

Every management position is the same, you'd think it's just that obvious. We all end up managing people who have very specific job duties, and as a manager you are responsible, within the bounds of the position, for those peoples results. Clearly both are responsible. Worse, an entire company can be jointly responsible for the companies duties, to uphold the companies policies of no corruption, following the law, etc. The notion that teachers are immune because they have union power to ensure they get paid without the responsibility...that's the real crime we're talking about. And low and behold it's denied at every step.
 
All the race-centric folks should grow up and call it for what it is. Root cause here is not about race, it's either the system that's broken in some way that can be fixed (dissolution is sometimes a fix, that's a broad term), and/or he's simply not doing his job and playing the blame-game. Blaming race is like name-calling, it's just unprofessional and irrelevant.

For anyone who manages this sort of thing is discovered and solved every day, millions of times each day around the world. That this particular guy threw the race card in there just confuses the issue for some. It's not about race, someone's not doing a good job, the rest is largely irrelevant. That our public school system is so dysfunctional that it cannot self correct by design should be no surprise. That people can publicly participate in a blame game using absurdities like racial comments, should be no surprise. The system is a dismal failure and we'll continue to watch it flounder until it helps ensure our entire nation fails (students really are the next generation...), or we fix it.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I asked, "What blame does the Chicago's Teachers Union share in the problem with Chicago public schools? Be specific and show causation."

I did not say, "Show me an article from a conservative website that takes the President of CTU's words out of context, but doesn't demonstrate how the union contributes to the problems with Chicago public schools."

Here are examples of what I meant when I asked, "What blame does the Chicago's Teachers Union share in the problem with Chicago public schools? Be specific and show causation.":

A non-partisan study showing that the teacher's union has hurt the Chicago public schools.
A policy that the teacher's union pushed for that is demonstrable bad for schools.

Can you provide that or something similar or not?
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Do you deny anything that she was quoted as saying?
 
rocket88 said:
While I do agree that blacks need to take more responsibility for themselves, it's still a fact that inner-city schools aren't as good as other public schools. It's probably going a bit far to call it "racism," but that does impact the black community disproportionately.

Blame whatever you like, but the fact is that the education systems have failed city residents.
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You sound like a conservative, they'll kick you out of the liberal club if keep that up.
 
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