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Lewis Points Finger At ‘Rich White People’ For School Problems [W:178]

Of course not. There are exceptions to every rule. How do you explain the differences? Teachers Unions? Blacks? What do you think the difference is?

Asians have a culture of accountability and diligence and, when coupled with the opportunities America has to offer, often succeed on the fruits of our own labor.
 
Of course not. There are exceptions to every rule. How do you explain the differences? Teachers Unions? Blacks? What do you think the difference is?

Parental guidance and motivation mostly account for the difference. With over 70% of blacks now born out of wedlock it is hard to blame "outside forces" for many resulting social problems including the lack of performance/attendence in public schools - morons beget morons.
 
The Chicago school board is not elected. It is appointed by the Mayor. That's one of the problems. You shouldn't talk about things you have no clue about.

Uhm. Then its a liberal, democrat problem? Because the mayor of Chicago has leaned that way for a while now. More specifically its a rich, white...LIBERAL problem?

As for taxes and how they are divvied up:
Personal Property Replacement Tax
51.65% of school allocation goes to Cook County currently.

Now...I know this is old data. But:
http://tax.illinois.gov/AboutIdor/TaxStats/PropertyTaxStats/PreviousYears/00ptax50.pdf

The state took 270M
Cook took in 125M
The collar counties of Kane, DuPage, Lake, McHenry, and Will took in 135M
The rest of the state took in 9mill.

The suburbs are subsidizing about 8% or $10million of the Cook County school district from what I can gather from that. Of course those numbers have changed since 2000 but I bet the allocation percents havent changed much.
 
Teachers Unions are in suburban schools too. FYI.

And? Private schools aren't unionized (most of them to my knowledge) so she's also taking a shot at blaming non-unionized schools and the "rich white people" who go to them. Diverting the blame onto the non-unionized school system and away from the teacher's union. Two birds with one stone. My original point stands.
 
Parental guidance and motivation mostly account for the difference. With over 70% of blacks now born out of wedlock it is hard to blame "outside forces" for many resulting social problems including the lack of performance/attendence in public schools - morons beget morons.


I don't necessarily disagree with that position. There's a lot to be said for the fact that coming from a family situation where education is not valued causes a lot of problems. But that's also true in some suburban situations.

However, the position of the OP is that Rahm Emanuel is black (he's not), and that it's the Democrats' fault.
 
And? Private schools aren't unionized (most of them to my knowledge) so she's also taking a shot at blaming non-unionized schools and the "rich white people" who go to them. Diverting the blame onto the non-unionized school system and away from the teacher's union. Two birds with one stone. My original point stands.

Suburban schools still have better opportunity than inner-city ones. Public schools, not private. They have unionized teachers too, but get better results.
 
I don't necessarily disagree with that position. There's a lot to be said for the fact that coming from a family situation where education is not valued causes a lot of problems. But that's also true in some suburban situations.

However, the position of the OP is that Rahm Emanuel is black (he's not), and that it's the Democrats' fault.

Well if it is going to be blamed on the politicians it would be, as in Detroit, the Democratic Party..
 
Uhm. Then its a liberal, democrat problem? Because the mayor of Chicago has leaned that way for a while now. More specifically its a rich, white...LIBERAL problem?
Yes. Most, if not all, the people I'm talking about are liberals. What does this have to do with what I said?

As for taxes and how they are divvied up:
Personal Property Replacement Tax
51.65% of school allocation goes to Cook County currently.

Now...I know this is old data. But:
http://tax.illinois.gov/AboutIdor/TaxStats/PropertyTaxStats/PreviousYears/00ptax50.pdf

The state took 270M
Cook took in 125M
The collar counties of Kane, DuPage, Lake, McHenry, and Will took in 135M
The rest of the state took in 9mill.

The suburbs are subsidizing about 8% or $10million of the Cook County school district from what I can gather from that. Of course those numbers have changed since 2000 but I bet the allocation percents havent changed much.
I never said anything about taxes so why are you addressing this to me?
 
Anything that diverts the blame away from the teachers unions. Not surprising.
What blame does the Chicago's Teachers Union share in the problem with Chicago public schools? Be specific and show causation.
 
And? Private schools aren't unionized (most of them to my knowledge) so she's also taking a shot at blaming non-unionized schools and the "rich white people" who go to them. Diverting the blame onto the non-unionized school system and away from the teacher's union. Two birds with one stone. My original point stands.
What's wrong with diverting blame from something that isn't to blame?
 
I don't think Rahm Emmanuel is black...

He was just mixing up Chicago with Baltimore. In either case the public schools aren't exactly pumping out Einsteins.
 
Yes. Most, if not all, the people I'm talking about are liberals. What does this have to do with what I said?


I never said anything about taxes so why are you addressing this to me?

The first part was to you. The second part was to have a clear understanding of how taxes are allocated in Cook County. That is, they are getting more than they are putting in.

It aint all about you :p
 
It's just blacks trying to point their fingers and blame "the man". We all know that African-Americans have never been good with owning up to their own shortcomings.

Money is just a convenient scapegoat.
 
Suburban schools still have better opportunity than inner-city ones. Public schools, not private. They have unionized teachers too, but get better results.

They may be better off compared to inner city schools, sure. But a mere 24% of 12th grade students are proficient in writing in the US according to an NAEP study. 24%...... That means you're still getting a lot of sub urban school students where there is "better opportunity" who still cannot write up to expectations. Its a systematic failure, even if some students are still failing less than others. Teacher's unions cannot be blamed for crime, single parent households, bad funding, etc. etc. which lead to differences between schools. But if the overall system is failing and teacher's unions are resistant to any change which allows bad teachers to be replaced, then I do think the teacher's union bears a large part of the blame.

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What's wrong with diverting blame from something that isn't to blame?

So you think Chicago teacher's unions bear absolutely no brunt of the responsibility for failing schools and an underwhelming public education system?
 
So you think Chicago teacher's unions bear absolutely no brunt of the responsibility for failing schools and an underwhelming public education system?
What blame does the Chicago's Teachers Union share in the problem with Chicago public schools? Be specific and show causation.
 
What's wrong with diverting blame from something that isn't to blame?

You are saying a union that puts teachers' needs before students' needs and then uses the kids as a shield has NOTHING to do with the education problem? You are saying an organization that will protect ineffective teachers, no matter how many students have the displeasure of "learning" from them, has nothing to do with our education problem? Face it, as a country we spend the most on education in the world per capita; throwing more money at the problem is NOT the solution. We need to introduce accountability back to the education system.
 
The first part was to you. The second part was to have a clear understanding of how taxes are allocated in Cook County. That is, they are getting more than they are putting in.

It aint all about you :p
How dare you speak that way to God.
 
You are saying a union that puts teachers' needs before students' needs and then uses the kids as a shield has NOTHING to do with the education problem?
I don't accept the premise. Show me how the union "put teachers' needs before students' needs and then uses kids as a shield".

You are saying an organization that will protect ineffective teachers, no matter how many students have the displeasure of "learning" from them, has nothing to do with our education problem?
Define "protect ineffective teachers."
 
Well if it is going to be blamed on the politicians it would be, as in Detroit, the Democratic Party..

You blame the weather on Democrats, so that's not a surprise.
 
The problem lies in income disparities.

False. Poor education leads to poverty leads to leads to poor education, but there are plenty of people who break that cycle. What breaks that cycle is parents who care about their children's education (and their own) who raise children who actually want to learn and succeed.

But that comes from a comes from a culture change, not a state program. That comes from personal responsibility. The poor in America have been sold a lot of crap by local, state and federal officials that leave them believing that if they drop out of school it's not their fault, or if they don't do well in school it isn't their fault. Terrible teachers fester in bad schools because the parents don't care, or have given up on trying to change school systems more geared towards teacher protection than education.

Here in Washington DC they had a voucher system in place where parents who cared could actually shop for a school for their kids to attend that met their needs. It was a whopping success for all the kids whose parents cared enough to participate. But that program anathema to the bloated, diseased corpse that is the DC teachers union so Obama killed the voucher program in his first year in office, dooming all those kids to dilapidated schools and no future to appease the union... while sending his kids to private school.

That is modern liberalism in a nutshell. They don't care what you do so long as it's mandatory for you and optional for them.
 
I don't accept the premise. Show me how the union "put teachers' needs before students' needs and then uses kids as a shield".


Define "protect ineffective teachers."

I was thinking of the teacher's strike last year when Chicago teachers went on strike despite the fact that they are already paid way above the national average for teachers; if it were really about the kids, they would have taken their $70k annual salary plus benefits and taught the students while negotiating instead of saying they needed a raise "for the kids". Also, it's well-known how hard it is to currently fire a teacher, even if they are known to be sub-par. "Waiting for Superman" is a documentary that touches on the problems built into the education system and how schools essentially shuffle around bad teachers because they are not allowed to fire them.
 
And you can forget the income disparity excuse as well. It's complete and utter bulls**t that is the common refrain of all the bloated, useless big city teachers unions and liberal hacks.

Case in point: Uganda has a higher literacy rate than Detroit (85% for Uganda to 53% in Detroit). Care to guess which students are better funded?

In fact, Detroit students are funded well above the national average yet have an abysmal 25% graduation rate. A student in Detroit has a higher likelihood of going to jail than they do graduating high school... and this is a funding issue? No. It's the all too common outcome of a nanny state that breeds anger, resentment and dependency and while killing initiative.
 
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