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    re: Lewis Points Finger At ‘Rich White People’ For School Problems [W:178]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Suburban schools still have better opportunity than inner-city ones. Public schools, not private. They have unionized teachers too, but get better results.
    They may be better off compared to inner city schools, sure. But a mere 24% of 12th grade students are proficient in writing in the US according to an NAEP study. 24%...... That means you're still getting a lot of sub urban school students where there is "better opportunity" who still cannot write up to expectations. Its a systematic failure, even if some students are still failing less than others. Teacher's unions cannot be blamed for crime, single parent households, bad funding, etc. etc. which lead to differences between schools. But if the overall system is failing and teacher's unions are resistant to any change which allows bad teachers to be replaced, then I do think the teacher's union bears a large part of the blame.

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    re: Lewis Points Finger At ‘Rich White People’ For School Problems [W:178]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What's wrong with diverting blame from something that isn't to blame?
    So you think Chicago teacher's unions bear absolutely no brunt of the responsibility for failing schools and an underwhelming public education system?

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    re: Lewis Points Finger At ‘Rich White People’ For School Problems [W:178]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    So you think Chicago teacher's unions bear absolutely no brunt of the responsibility for failing schools and an underwhelming public education system?
    What blame does the Chicago's Teachers Union share in the problem with Chicago public schools? Be specific and show causation.

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    re: Lewis Points Finger At ‘Rich White People’ For School Problems [W:178]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What's wrong with diverting blame from something that isn't to blame?
    You are saying a union that puts teachers' needs before students' needs and then uses the kids as a shield has NOTHING to do with the education problem? You are saying an organization that will protect ineffective teachers, no matter how many students have the displeasure of "learning" from them, has nothing to do with our education problem? Face it, as a country we spend the most on education in the world per capita; throwing more money at the problem is NOT the solution. We need to introduce accountability back to the education system.

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    re: Lewis Points Finger At ‘Rich White People’ For School Problems [W:178]

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    The first part was to you. The second part was to have a clear understanding of how taxes are allocated in Cook County. That is, they are getting more than they are putting in.

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    re: Lewis Points Finger At ‘Rich White People’ For School Problems [W:178]

    Quote Originally Posted by hidingrpolitics View Post
    You are saying a union that puts teachers' needs before students' needs and then uses the kids as a shield has NOTHING to do with the education problem?
    I don't accept the premise. Show me how the union "put teachers' needs before students' needs and then uses kids as a shield".

    You are saying an organization that will protect ineffective teachers, no matter how many students have the displeasure of "learning" from them, has nothing to do with our education problem?
    Define "protect ineffective teachers."

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    re: Lewis Points Finger At ‘Rich White People’ For School Problems [W:178]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well if it is going to be blamed on the politicians it would be, as in Detroit, the Democratic Party..
    You blame the weather on Democrats, so that's not a surprise.


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    re: Lewis Points Finger At ‘Rich White People’ For School Problems [W:178]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The problem lies in income disparities.
    False. Poor education leads to poverty leads to leads to poor education, but there are plenty of people who break that cycle. What breaks that cycle is parents who care about their children's education (and their own) who raise children who actually want to learn and succeed.

    But that comes from a comes from a culture change, not a state program. That comes from personal responsibility. The poor in America have been sold a lot of crap by local, state and federal officials that leave them believing that if they drop out of school it's not their fault, or if they don't do well in school it isn't their fault. Terrible teachers fester in bad schools because the parents don't care, or have given up on trying to change school systems more geared towards teacher protection than education.

    Here in Washington DC they had a voucher system in place where parents who cared could actually shop for a school for their kids to attend that met their needs. It was a whopping success for all the kids whose parents cared enough to participate. But that program anathema to the bloated, diseased corpse that is the DC teachers union so Obama killed the voucher program in his first year in office, dooming all those kids to dilapidated schools and no future to appease the union... while sending his kids to private school.

    That is modern liberalism in a nutshell. They don't care what you do so long as it's mandatory for you and optional for them.

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    re: Lewis Points Finger At ‘Rich White People’ For School Problems [W:178]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't accept the premise. Show me how the union "put teachers' needs before students' needs and then uses kids as a shield".


    Define "protect ineffective teachers."
    I was thinking of the teacher's strike last year when Chicago teachers went on strike despite the fact that they are already paid way above the national average for teachers; if it were really about the kids, they would have taken their $70k annual salary plus benefits and taught the students while negotiating instead of saying they needed a raise "for the kids". Also, it's well-known how hard it is to currently fire a teacher, even if they are known to be sub-par. "Waiting for Superman" is a documentary that touches on the problems built into the education system and how schools essentially shuffle around bad teachers because they are not allowed to fire them.

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    re: Lewis Points Finger At ‘Rich White People’ For School Problems [W:178]

    And you can forget the income disparity excuse as well. It's complete and utter bulls**t that is the common refrain of all the bloated, useless big city teachers unions and liberal hacks.

    Case in point: Uganda has a higher literacy rate than Detroit (85% for Uganda to 53% in Detroit). Care to guess which students are better funded?

    In fact, Detroit students are funded well above the national average yet have an abysmal 25% graduation rate. A student in Detroit has a higher likelihood of going to jail than they do graduating high school... and this is a funding issue? No. It's the all too common outcome of a nanny state that breeds anger, resentment and dependency and while killing initiative.

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