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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    This is kinda funny considering after the formation of the USSR and during the cold war via declassified documents the Soviets weren't very concerned with a rivals military if they were to invade but rather their domestic armed civilians.

    It seems hes using the "government over the people" propaganda like Stalin would to inspire his citizens and promote global government supremacy.

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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    What makes this applicable to the current times for me is that it's the 'gas attack' scenario being played out again by the US propagandists. Americans should be proactive and do everything in their capability to not let that happen. And as you will see on the other thread, Ron Paul is being and is making the right suggestions.
    You seem to like to accuse other people of swallowing propaganda, yet it seems to escape you that a claim by the President of Russia - who has committed Russia to supporting Assad - on the Syrian conflict might just be propaganda in the other direction. Who is the one lacking in an honest agenda, now?
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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    I think you need to learn a little bit about chem/bio weapons. A good resource would be your own CIA section leader Pelletiere who debunked the lies about Iraq doing the gassing at Halabja.

    But I fear that's getting way too complicated for this cluster........
    You deny that attack was Saddam's??

    The Halabja poison gas attack (Kurdish: کیمیابارانی ھەڵەبجە KÓmyabarana Helebce), also known as Halabja massacre or Bloody Friday,[1] was a genocidal massacre against the Kurdish people that took place on March 16, 1988, during the closing days of the Iran–Iraq War, when chemical weapons were used by the Iraqi government forces in the Kurdish town of Halabja in Southern Kurdistan.

    The attack killed between 3,200 and 5,000 people, and injured around 7,000 to 10,000 more, most of them civilians;[1][2] thousands more died of complications, diseases, and birth defects in the years after the attack.[3] The incident, which has been officially defined as an act of genocide against the Kurdish people in Iraq,[4] was and still remains the largest chemical weapons attack directed against a civilian-populated area in history.[5]

    The Halabja attack has been recognized as a separate event from the Anfal Genocide that was also conducted against the Kurdish people by the Iraqi regime under Saddam Hussein.[6] The Iraqi High Criminal Court recognized the Halabja massacre as an act of genocide on March 1, 2010, a decision welcomed by the Kurdistan Regional Government.[7] The attack was also condemned as a crime against humanity by the Parliament of Canada.[8]
    Halabja poison gas attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Good, now we can continue. The fact is, Iraq didn't have the right type of gas that was used at Halabja according to Pelletiere. And so we have to contemplate that Pelletiere could have been lying if he said that. Was he lying? If he was lying then it was to cover up the fact that the gas used had to have been supplied to Saddam by the US.

    And there's my point with Pelletiere. Now you can choose your side on that one.

    What makes this applicable to the current times for me is that it's the 'gas attack' scenario being played out again by the US propagandists. Americans should be proactive and do everything in their capability to not let that happen. And as you will see on the other thread, Ron Paul is being and is making the right suggestions.

    Plain and simple, there is no proof of the gas attacks by Assad's side. There isn't even proof of gas attacks by the terrorist side. Del Ponte has gone dark on the issue and that tells us all we need to know. The UN leans toward the West in nearly all cases and would not hold back evidence that could seal the case against Assad.

    I'm interested in your further comments on Pelletiere especially.
    You're suggesting that the US was responsible for the gas attack at Halabja?

    You're using that to suggest that the US is responsible for the use of gas in Syria?

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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You're suggesting that the US was responsible for the gas attack at Halabja?

    You're using that to suggest that the US is responsible for the use of gas in Syria?
    The links I provided on Pelletiere adequately explain it all. And then after you have read the two parts all I want is to hear the answer from some of the people here on Pelletiere's truthfulness or lack of. Was he lying and then if so, why would he lie?

    This may lead some to come to the conclusion that the US was responsible in an indirect way. Or it could lead some to conclude that Iran did it. Or it could cause such handwringing that some people just have to turn to their ice cream for a little peace of mind.

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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    You have a point, even though it was meant as slang for khaim. I think you should appeal to the moderators to get it eliminated. Any maybe even get me a warning for using it. I'm sure you would feel much better about it if you could do that. And I'm even onside with doing that now. I've had my fun with it.

    Also, I'm sure the majority of the people on this board would be in favour of a lot more censorship. And after all, making fun of somebody's milk cow is not nice is it!
    For a guy with 175 posts, you sure seem familiar (though wrong) with this website. It's almost like you're making an (unjustified) personal remark toward the member you quoted, as if you know them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    How about if we both agree to not waste each others time anymore?
    Donsutherland does not waste anyones time. He presents his position, provides evidence and does so without troll/bait/flame of any sort. While I do not agree with him regarding this event, I have the utmost respect for his analysis, citations and respect of honest debate.

    Case in point:


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Turkish police seizes 2 kg of sarin gas from Al-Nusra militants
    Rebels have been arrested in Turkey with sarin gas.
    Why use such garbage sources. Do you realize that, if your opponent was pathetic enough to respond in kind, that they could just grab biased BS from some wackjob website that counters your BS. Hell, I bet we could find some fringe-job willing to claim Putin himself employed the gas.

    Let's look at a frontpage article from the pathetic website above:

    MOSCOW (RUSSIA)

    Peter Dale Scott continues his analysis of the U.S. system of domination. In a conference held in Moscow, this former Canadian diplomat summed up the findings of his investigation into the funding of the system with money deriving from drug trafficking and hydrocarbon deals. Although widely known, such facts are nevertheless difficult to accept.

    Come on, dude. Spare us the fringe garbage conspiracy theory spam. No one believes it. It only makes the citation provider look ridiculous.


    UN accuses Syrian rebels of carrying out sarin gas attacks which had been blamed on Assad's troops | Mail Online
    Carla Del Ponte said UN Commission investigating war crimes in Syria has 'strong, concrete suspicions' that rebels used chemical weapons
    The Daily Fail (Online)? That's a tabloid.

    Talk about wasting people's time. If I wanted to scrape the scum off the bottom of the internet barrel, I could do it myself.
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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Or it could cause such handwringing that some people just have to turn to their ice cream for a little peace of mind.
    What do you have against ice cream? You also appear to hate milk cows.

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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    For a guy with 175 posts, you sure seem familiar (though wrong) with this website. It's almost like you're making an (unjustified) personal remark toward the member you quoted, as if you know them.
    What on earth are you on about? Something about me having 175 posts that makes me familiar with this site? And something about a remark about a member, uh, ....................... I secretly know some member?




    Donsutherland does not waste anyones time. He presents his position, provides evidence and does so without troll/bait/flame of any sort. While I do not agree with him regarding this event, I have the utmost respect for his analysis, citations and respect of honest debate.
    I think it was him who said that Pelletiere had forgot about what happened or something like that. That's definitely a waste of everybody's time. But if it works for you then run with it!

    Case in point:




    Why use such garbage sources. Do you realize that, if your opponent was pathetic enough to respond in kind, that they could just grab biased BS from some wackjob website that counters your BS. Hell, I bet we could find some fringe-job willing to claim Putin himself employed the gas.

    Let's look at a frontpage article from the pathetic website above:




    Come on, dude. Spare us the fringe garbage conspiracy theory spam. No one believes it. It only makes the citation provider look ridiculous.




    The Daily Fail (Online)?

    That's a tabloid.

    Talk about wasting people's time. If I wanted to scrape the scum off the bottom of the internet barrel, I could do it myself.
    More than anything you are demonstrating frustration at the fact that the allegations of chem/bio weapons by Assad have no basis in fact. And it appears that a reference to Del Ponte is doubly unsettling for you and your agenda. But I'm willing to work with you on it if you want to. I could find lots of references to the UN's Del Ponte saying that the use of the gas evidence was leaning toward it being used by the terrorists. Could you keep it together long enough to explor even that a little further?

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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Here: UN accuses Syrian rebels of carrying out sarin gas attacks which had been blamed on Assad's troops | Mail Online

    And if you don't like the news source you could ask for another one. This is no secret pal. And it's not rocket science either to figure out that the US got caught with it's pants down on the redline thingy.

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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post


    Why use such garbage sources. Do you realize that, if your opponent was pathetic enough to respond in kind, that they could just grab biased BS from some wackjob website that counters your BS. Hell, I bet we could find some fringe-job willing to claim Putin himself employed the gas.

    Let's look at a frontpage article from the pathetic website above:




    Come on, dude. Spare us the fringe garbage conspiracy theory spam. No one believes it. It only makes the citation provider look ridiculous.




    The Daily Fail (Online)? That's a tabloid.

    Talk about wasting people's time. If I wanted to scrape the scum off the bottom of the internet barrel, I could do it myself.
    Oh god! Here comes the source Nazi!


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