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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not really. It's unlikely he could have.
    Can you demonstrate that analytical line?

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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    I think you need to learn a little bit about chem/bio weapons. A good resource would be your own CIA section leader Pelletiere who debunked the lies about Iraq doing the gassing at Halabja.

    But I fear that's getting way too complicated for this cluster........
    There's little serious dispute that chemical weapons were used at Halabja. Some reports and declarations on the war crimes there:

    Whatever Happened To The Iraqi Kurds? (Human Rights Watch Report, March 11, 1991)
    Chemical Weapons Programs - Iraq Special Weapons Facilities
    A/RES/46/134. Situation of human rights in Iraq

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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Can you demonstrate that analytical line?
    easy enough. He was under watch all the time. We even knew when he smuggled oil. So, we'd have to let him for him to do much. By the time the inspectors had finished, we'd have a real good idea what he had, making it even more unlikely. Saddam had a crumpling infastructure, was under heavy sanctions, and had limited ability. He'd be the least of the problems.

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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    easy enough. He was under watch all the time. We even knew when he smuggled oil. So, we'd have to let him for him to do much. By the time the inspectors had finished, we'd have a real good idea what he had, making it even more unlikely. Saddam had a crumpling infastructure, was under heavy sanctions, and had limited ability. He'd be the least of the problems.
    Okay. Here is the post you were responding to:

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    Good thing Saddam isn't in power, because I'm sure he would be more than happy to come to Assad's aid in defeating the webels.
    THAT..... is a very interesting point....
    Now, Iran is also under "crippling" sanctions, and don't even share a nice, long, porous border with Syria. Yet somehow they're able to get large amounts of aid to Assad. How, exactly, again, do you see "us watching Saddam" keeping him from being able to aid his fellow Baathist regime?

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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Okay. Here is the post you were responding to:



    Now, Iran is also under "crippling" sanctions, and don't even share a nice, long, porous border with Syria. Yet somehow they're able to get large amounts of aid to Assad. How, exactly, again, do you see "us watching Saddam" keeping him from being able to aid his fellow Baathist regime?

    Iran is in much better shape than Saddam was. Much, much better. Not only would it be difficult to sneak past us, but much was degrading.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Iran is in much better shape than Saddam was. Much, much better. Not only would it be difficult to sneak past us, but much was degrading.
    Sneak past what? Sneak past whom? What force projection do you see us putting out to shut down the Iraq/Syria border when we couldn't even do that with 200,000 odd troops in-country?

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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Sneak past what? Sneak past whom? What force projection do you see us putting out to shut down the Iraq/Syria border when we couldn't even do that with 200,000 odd troops in-country?
    We had people watching. It would have been risky, especially had he survived the inspectors. More than anything, he wanted to remain in power. He wouldn't likely have risked it that way.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    There's little serious dispute that chemical weapons were used at Halabja. Some reports and declarations on the war crimes there:

    Whatever Happened To The Iraqi Kurds? (Human Rights Watch Report, March 11, 1991)
    Chemical Weapons Programs - Iraq Special Weapons Facilities
    A/RES/46/134. Situation of human rights in Iraq
    There is no dispute that chemical weapons were used at Halabja. Period!

    Di you read my link to Pelletiere and have you any idea what he said? Answer me that first before I go to the trouble of trying to determine what the intent is of your link posted here.

    If you do understand, or if you read the link and then understand, you will be asked to come to some kind of conclusion on Pelletiere's veracity or lack of. But that's all going to be dutch to you if you aren't familiar with what he said.

    It's up to you people, I'm not going to lead people by the nose here.

    Oh, and as for Saddam sending all his so-called WMD's to Syria? Get serious. Even W has been quoted saying there were none. Won't the warmongers and the liars ever roll over and play dead?

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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We had people watching. It would have been risky, especially had he survived the inspectors. More than anything, he wanted to remain in power. He wouldn't likely have risked it that way.
    lol no. As cpwill implied, there's nothing that stopped Saddam that doesn't currently stop the Ayatollah. And Saddam would've had geographic advantages.

    Is it so horrible to acknowledge that? I mean, I think everyone knows that the situation in the Middle East would be different now if the Iraq invasion hadn't happen, and it's impossible to speculate we'd be sitting here watching this transpire in Syria as it has been without the events in Iraq, but even ignoring all other variables...really?
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    Re: US's Anti-Syria Propaganda Stumbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    There is no dispute that chemical weapons were used at Halabja. Period!

    Di you read my link to Pelletiere and have you any idea what he said? Answer me that first before I go to the trouble of trying to determine what the intent is of your link posted here.

    If you do understand, or if you read the link and then understand, you will be asked to come to some kind of conclusion on Pelletiere's veracity or lack of. But that's all going to be dutch to you if you aren't familiar with what he said.

    It's up to you people, I'm not going to lead people by the nose here.

    Oh, and as for Saddam sending all his so-called WMD's to Syria? Get serious. Even W has been quoted saying there were none. Won't the warmongers and the liars ever roll over and play dead?
    Iraq used chemical weapons at Halabja. No serious work suggests some party other than Iraq was responsible. Speculation aimed at exonerating Iraq is not supported by any credible evidence.

    As for the issue of Saddam purportedly sending WMDs to Syria, I never made any suggestion toward that end. No concrete evidence for that outcome was revealed in the post-war examination.

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