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Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

mak2 said:
Was the illegal votes "hanging chads?" (if I remember correctly) or busloads of them people? I dont beleive voter fraud is a problem, no matter which side says it is. I think if it was and a couple of people got busted and spent a long time in jail with felony conviction I bet there would be even less the next election.
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Butch Morgan gets prison time for election fraud

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Kanstantine said:
The Social Security card has only two bits of data. Your full name and your Social Security number.

It doesn't list your height, weight, place of birth, place of residence, eye color, race, or hair color.

It has no photograph.

And non-citizens can get a Social Security card.
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and the SS card is NOT to be used as an ID.

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The social security act specifically states that the social security number or card is NOT to be used for identification purposes. It was made illegal to do so - with the fear of reviving the Nazi reliance on identificaion papers in the previous war. A decade or more ago, many companies who had been using that number for tracking accounts were forced to change their systems.
the national ID card will be an approved identification issued by state DMVs. It will serve as a legal photo-identification for anyone (including non-drivers) who possess one. It is not a substitute for a social-security card, nor does it rely on the social security number for identification."


Is it OK to use your Social Security card for identification purposes? Why or why not? - Yahoo! Answers
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
Spoken like a true liberal.
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Scalia and Roberts are Liberals? LMAO. You are a funny guy.

Seriously, though, whatever you think my lean is has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Do you have anything to say about the decision itself? If not, I would appreciate it if you stopped attempting to troll me, and leave this thread. Thanx in advance.
 
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danarhea said:
Show me a SINGLE instance where someone in Arizona voted who was not a citizen. You can't. Arizona could not even show a SINGLE instance when asked by SCOTUS, during the hearings. And for that, you want to take away the rights of thousands to vote? Good luck with that. It's not going to happen. And you can thank Scalia for that. Can't wait to hear you start screaming that he is one of them there evul leebruls. LOL.
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You ask for something you know cannot be provided because there is no set way to track whether someone who is not allowed to vote does vote or not. There are only two ways in which it can be done and neither one is done. The first being the social security number being checked the second is to do so before vote day by making people provide proof of citizenship.

No matter what it is there can be no proof provided if one is not even allowed to check for the proof in the first place.
 
Kanstantine said:
The Social Security card has only two bits of data. Your full name and your Social Security number.

It doesn't list your height, weight, place of birth, place of residence, eye color, race, or hair color.

It has no photograph.

And non-citizens can get a Social Security card.
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1: No, non citizens cannot get a social security card. They can get a TIN card but not a social security card. Not legally anyways.

2: The card itself may not have all those things but you can bet that the database that it is attached to does have your birth date and where you were born.
 
yobarnacle said:
and the SS card is NOT to be used as an ID.

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Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
The social security act specifically states that the social security number or card is NOT to be used for identification purposes. It was made illegal to do so - with the fear of reviving the Nazi reliance on identificaion papers in the previous war. A decade or more ago, many companies who had been using that number for tracking accounts were forced to change their systems.
the national ID card will be an approved identification issued by state DMVs. It will serve as a legal photo-identification for anyone (including non-drivers) who possess one. It is not a substitute for a social-security card, nor does it rely on the social security number for identification."


Is it OK to use your Social Security card for identification purposes? Why or why not? - Yahoo! Answers
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This is true. However that part has been ignored for a very long time now as that is exactly what is done every time a person has to get a job in the public or private sector or come tax season.
 
What's the use of having a law that is either A) unenforceable, or B) unenforced?
 
azgreg said:
What's the use of having a law that is either A) unenforceable, or B) unenforced?
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We have than one of those. More than one immigration law not enforced.
 
wbcoleman said:
I registered to vote, I helped my daughter register. That's an interesting story. It was 2000 and my daughter had just turned 18. We are obviously Jewish and the woman taking the form gaily said to my daughter, "Just think, your first vote will be for Joe Lieberman!" When my daughter replied, "ummm, errrr, not really...." the lady lost her temper and threatened to tear up the registration form rather than process it.
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You're citing an isolated case and making an inference it's the norm. I sure hope you reported her.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
But is the Supreme Court part of the judicial branch, one of the three branches of government outlined by the constitution?

I find it ironic that when liberals complain about the Supreme Court it is over its membership but conservitives seem annoyed at its very existance.
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Well you forgot the simple fact that it is gubamint. And gubamint is evil and can't do anything... lol
 
Funny watching the folks in here crying about how we will be overrun by illegal voters... something that GW Bush administration spent millions on to find pretty much nothing doing even before AZ put that now defunct law into place.

After a five-year hunt for voter fraud, the Bush administration's Justice Department came up with little widespread fraud, finding mostly cases of people mistakenly filling out voter registration forms or voting when they didn't know they were ineligible, The New York Times reported in 2007. But none of the cases involved a person voting as someone else.

linkypoo...​
 
poweRob said:
Funny watching the folks in here crying about how we will be overrun by illegal voters... something that GW Bush administration spent millions on to find pretty much nothing doing even before AZ put that now defunct law into place.

After a five-year hunt for voter fraud, the Bush administration's Justice Department came up with little widespread fraud, finding mostly cases of people mistakenly filling out voter registration forms or voting when they didn't know they were ineligible, The New York Times reported in 2007. But none of the cases involved a person voting as someone else.

linkypoo...​
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Which is the question that Arizona couldn't answer when questioned by SCOTUS. They could not produce a SINGLE instance.
 
 
clownboy said:
It changed today, have you been taking a vacation from the news? The SCOTUS just ruled we cannot require that we check citizenship. Any asshat who can fill out a form, we just take their word for it.
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The form, as I understand it, contain's an "oath." We convict people and even sentence them to death, in some states, with testimony given under an "oath." We have to decide if an "oath," is to be held in sacred regard or not. If we can accept testimony under oath, in much more serious matters, then we have to accept the oath of an individuals who swear they are citizens when it's time to vote. We can't have it both ways. Pick and choose when an oath is really an oath? Nope. No can do. It is or it ain't.

But what we should do is throw any and everyone in prison, for a long time, who lies under oath. That goes for the witness stand as it does for the voting booth. Get caught lying under oath and you go away for a very long time. That might make illegal voters think twice.

Is illegal voting really a big problem to begin with?
 
Captain America said:
The form, as I understand it, contain's an "oath." We convict people and even sentence them to death, in some states, with testimony given under an "oath." We have to decide if an "oath," is to be held in sacred regard or not. If we can accept testimony under oath, in much more serious matters, then we have to accept the oath of an individuals who swear they are citizens when it's time to vote. We can't have it both ways. Pick and choose when an oath is really an oath? Nope. No can do. It is or it ain't.

But what we should do is throw any and everyone in prison, for a long time, who lies under oath. That goes for the witness stand as it does for the voting booth. Get caught lying under oath and you go away for a very long time. That might make illegal voters think twice.

Is illegal voting really a big problem to begin with?
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Not really, and the majority of illegal voting occurs in a manner that ID laws would not prevent: via absentee ballots. Strangely, you don't hear conservatives screaming to improve the security of absentee ballots. I'm sure the fact that absentee ballots swing slightly Republican is just a coincidence.
 
Kanstantine said:
The Social Security card has only two bits of data. Your full name and your Social Security number.

It doesn't list your height, weight, place of birth, place of residence, eye color, race, or hair color.

It has no photograph.

And non-citizens can get a Social Security card.
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Are you suggesting an illegal couldn't get an 'ID" card...
 
Somerville said:
What does that say about the (1) training of the person who told her she couldn't use her old government ID and (2) the fact that it was only after she received publicity that any action was taken on her behalf?
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Inadequate obviously but that is not the point but rather that the law didn't prevent her from voting which you originally claimed.

from the Tennessee Department of Safety & Homeland Security site with requirements for obtaining a "Handgun Carry Permit"


So one of the items accepted as voter ID in the state doesn't require proof of citizenship - interesting, wouldn't you say
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Not really, a drivers license also is acceptable and no citizenship is required to attain one (in TN 'undocumented' CAN get a DL). You erroneously conflating 'positively' proving identity with voter eligibility.
 
You have to show an ID to buy a gun, but not to vote. Makes sense to me...lol!
 
Captain America said:
The form, as I understand it, contain's an "oath." We convict people and even sentence them to death, in some states, with testimony given under an "oath." We have to decide if an "oath," is to be held in sacred regard or not. If we can accept testimony under oath, in much more serious matters, then we have to accept the oath of an individuals who swear they are citizens when it's time to vote. We can't have it both ways. Pick and choose when an oath is really an oath? Nope. No can do. It is or it ain't.

But what we should do is throw any and everyone in prison, for a long time, who lies under oath. That goes for the witness stand as it does for the voting booth. Get caught lying under oath and you go away for a very long time. That might make illegal voters think twice.

Is illegal voting really a big problem to begin with?
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Interesting, how would you specifically propose we catch those who lie to get in the voting booth? Perjury is only 'catchable' if another is able to provide substantive testimony contrary to who perjured which makes it quite difficult to catch. Voter ID laws do not totally prevent voting proxy issues but they are a step better than not doing it.
 
danarhea said:
Scalia and Roberts are Liberals? LMAO. You are a funny guy.

Seriously, though, whatever you think my lean is has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Do you have anything to say about the decision itself? If not, I would appreciate it if you stopped attempting to troll me, and leave this thread. Thanx in advance.
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My comment was about the topic, only a lib would be happy with this decision, it guarantees DNC power.
 
danarhea said:
In a 7-2 decision, the Supreme court has struck down a law that disenfranchised voters in Arizona. Justice Scalia wrote the majority opinion, and John Roberts was also a part of the majority decision.

Well done, Supremes. :)

Article is here.
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Why the hell would you not have some kind of proof of your citizenship? You need that to enroll in school, to get a job, to drive....
 
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