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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Actually, I am all for it. But the default position should be to allow everyone to vote, but investigate and prosecute fully anyone who voted fraudlently. But by no means keep someone from voting who should be able to.
    How does proving citizenship stop someone who is eligible to vote from voting?

    And you can not allow everyone who wants to vote vote then sort it out later...What if we find out 2 years after an election that 20K people who arent eligible to vote actually did vote...and that the ineligible voters actually won the election for a candidate. Would two years of legislation, voting records etc have to be changed? What of the other ramifications? Do you leave the person in office that actually lost?

    You need to make sure those that are voting meet the states requirements BEFORE the election occurs.
    Know the truth and the truth will make you mad, because the truth has no agenda.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    How does proving citizenship stop someone who is eligible to vote from voting?

    And you can not allow everyone who wants to vote vote then sort it out later...What if we find out 2 years after an election that 20K people who arent eligible to vote actually did vote...and that the ineligible voters actually won the election for a candidate. Would two years of legislation, voting records etc have to be changed? What of the other ramifications? Do you leave the person in office that actually lost?

    You need to make sure those that are voting meet the states requirements BEFORE the election occurs.
    We check registration now. we just don't require you to buy ID.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    We check registration now. we just don't require you to buy ID.
    Virginia makes you prove citizenship to get a state issued ID....or to register to vote.

    What ID do you have to buy to prove you are a citizen?

    A copy of your birth certificate is free (if you dont already have one) if for a state requirement (drivers license, court order whatever). We had to get one for our son's driving permit....and it had to come from NJ. My wife had to get a copy of hers from Guam...it was free also.

    So...what cost is there to prove citizenship?
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    Virginia makes you prove citizenship to get a state issued ID....or to register to vote.

    What ID do you have to buy to prove you are a citizen?

    A copy of your birth certificate is free (if you dont already have one) if for a state requirement (drivers license, court order whatever). We had to get one for our son's driving permit....and it had to come from NJ. My wife had to get a copy of hers from Guam...it was free also.

    So...what cost is there to prove citizenship?
    ID costs money.

    I did not show ID to register to vote.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    ID costs money.

    I did not show ID to register to vote.
    OK, good for you but please answer the question...what cost is there to prove citizenship?
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    We check registration now. we just don't require you to buy ID.
    And SCOTUS intimated (even the liberal end of the bench) that the current honor system is not enough.

    If they devise a system that does not incur costs, and can ensure the person voting is the one that registered, that would be fine.

    I think Indiana currently has a decent system in place, with free ID available.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    Virginia makes you prove citizenship to get a state issued ID....or to register to vote.

    What ID do you have to buy to prove you are a citizen?

    A copy of your birth certificate is free (if you dont already have one) if for a state requirement (drivers license, court order whatever). We had to get one for our son's driving permit....and it had to come from NJ. My wife had to get a copy of hers from Guam...it was free also.

    So...what cost is there to prove citizenship?
    Hate to pick nits but in California you have to have the long form birth certificate, the certificate of live birth which has an attached cost of 50$ at least. Most of the illegals show Oregon or Washington IDs, at least in Cali.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    ID costs money.

    I did not show ID to register to vote.
    Ids don't cost money. Most states give them out for free if you can show financial hardship. And again, I would have no problem with simply putting a photo on your voter registration card, which are 'free'.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    And SCOTUS intimated (even the liberal end of the bench) that the current honor system is not enough.

    If they devise a system that does not incur costs, and can ensure the person voting is the one that registered, that would be fine.

    I think Indiana currently has a decent system in place, with free ID available.
    we don't register on the honor system.

    ID is not free.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Ids don't cost money. Most states give them out for free if you can show financial hardship. And again, I would have no problem with simply putting a photo on your voter registration card, which are 'free'.
    ID is not free.

    The way we do it now seems fine to me. I fill out the form. They check I am a legal resident and then I vote.

    Our system works well.

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