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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Not legally or literally. A tax is a direct levy of property. Showing an ID is not.
    Not literally, but legally. Every single court that has taken a case like this has ruled that if the ID costs money, it's a poll tax. It doesn't matter that other things require ID to be shown. Buying beer is not the core fundamental right to democracy. Voting is, and our constitution says poll taxes are out of the question.

    The ID requires money, and voting requires the ID, therefore voting requires money, which is exactly the thing that the constitution is trying to prevent. My compromise would be this: issue the ID's free of charge, at the voting precincts. That way nobody can be inconvenienced by being forced to make two trips. (which can be a real barrier if you are very poor) And it solves the poll tax issue. But this would cost money, and Republicans only support spending money in the name of election security when it's done in a way that will benefit their party.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Not literally, but legally. Every single court that has taken a case like this has ruled that if the ID costs money, it's a poll tax. It doesn't matter that other things require ID to be shown. Buying beer is not the core fundamental right to democracy. Voting is, and our constitution says poll taxes are out of the question.

    The ID requires money, and voting requires the ID, therefore voting requires money, which is exactly the thing that the constitution is trying to prevent. My compromise would be this: issue the ID's free of charge, at the voting precincts. That way nobody can be inconvenienced by being forced to make two trips. (which can be a real barrier if you are very poor) And it solves the poll tax issue. But this would cost money, and Republicans only support spending money in the name of election security when it's done in a way that will benefit their party.
    Cite a case.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Cite a case.
    ...you mean like the one that started this thread?

    How about Texas v. Eric Holder in which a circuit court struck down a similar law in Texas?
    Federal Court Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law | Public Interest Law Center of Philadelphia

    South Carolina law being struck down
    https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin...2012cv0203-299

    And Wisconsin
    Voter ID Law Overturned For Second Time | WISN Home - WISN Home

    edit: and an addendum, it does seem that not every case has directly overturned the ID laws. Some have just been temporary injunctions to investigate the potential impacts on voters.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Recent news about >25,000 people getting tax refunds in excess of $49 million, all at the same Atlanta, GA address. Now lets find out how many people from that address are registered democrat voters. Politics has become so dirty most people don't want to dirty their hands by getting involved.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by GlenS View Post
    Recent news about >25,000 people getting tax refunds in excess of $49 million, all at the same Atlanta, GA address. Now lets find out how many people from that address are registered democrat voters. Politics has become so dirty most people don't want to dirty their hands by getting involved.
    What does this have to do with voter ID laws in Arizona?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    ...you mean like the one that started this thread?

    How about Texas v. Eric Holder in which a circuit court struck down a similar law in Texas?
    Federal Court Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law | Public Interest Law Center of Philadelphia

    South Carolina law being struck down
    https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin...2012cv0203-299

    And Wisconsin
    Voter ID Law Overturned For Second Time | WISN Home - WISN Home

    edit: and an addendum, it does seem that not every case has directly overturned the ID laws. Some have just been temporary injunctions to investigate the potential impacts on voters.
    No, I mean like a case thats an examepl of "Every single court that has taken a case like this has ruled that if the ID costs money, it's a poll tax". The one that started this thread does not rule that. Neither does your second link. Neither does the news article.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It is limited to US citizens. We're you under the impression this has changed?
    it is limited to people who say they are US citizens. If it were only opened to actual citizens, showing proof of citizenship would be a non issue.
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    How many, if any, say they are American citizens that arent and vote? See, it is a nonissue.
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    it is limited to people who say they are US citizens. If it were only opened to actual citizens, showing proof of citizenship would be a non issue.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    How many, if any, say they are American citizens that arent and vote? See, it is a nonissue.
    I dont know how many, but more and more cases of voter fraud is being uncovered and prosecuted.

    What do you have against proving you are a citizen in order to register to vote?
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Actually, I am all for it. But the default position should be to allow everyone to vote, but investigate and prosecute fully anyone who voted fraudlently. But by no means keep someone from voting who should be able to.
    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    I dont know how many, but more and more cases of voter fraud is being uncovered and prosecuted.

    What do you have against proving you are a citizen in order to register to vote?
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