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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Fortunately, that would be a great thing for this country.
    If your goal is to be Venezuela or Greece, you're right. Fret not, we're fast-tracking that way for you.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Fair enough. Unfortunately there needs to be a change in the federal law.
    That's what's required of citizens in a democracy -- they need to take their voting seriously, take their government seriously, and take political change seriously. Democracy isn't for adolescents who just complain (i.e., the libertarian, knownothing, "I hate Big Gummit" types).

    But before voting for that change we need to know the facts: like is this really a problem, and what's the magnitude of it? And if we require proof of citizen to register (sounds reasonable I agree) what is the practical effect on certain demographic groups (such as the elderly and poor)? Will such a law actually disenfranchise more eligible voters than the number of ineligible voters it excludes? If so is it a good idea, at least in isolation? Should such a change in the law be carried out with a global reform and regularization of voting laws throughout the country, so that we don't get the kind of gamesmanship the GOP played in Florida in the 2000 election? Not to mention the long lines, the lack of voting places, and so forth? Maybe we should fix that first -- meaning PAYING for it -- rather than dealing with what might be a small problem.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If your goal is to be Venezuela or Greece, you're right. Fret not, we're fast-tracking that way for you.
    Pssst: conservatives ran Greece for a decade before its financial collapse. Go figure.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Prove that there was voter fraud in Arizona. Arizona couln't show ONE instance of it, when asked by SCOTUS.
    Republican Candidate In Arizona Accused Of Voter Fraud | ThinkProgress

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Pssst: conservatives ran Greece for a decade before its financial collapse. Go figure.
    Pssssst. BS. You're not even worth the time.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Pssst: conservatives ran Greece for a decade before its financial collapse. Go figure.
    Figures. They love to waste money and then blame Liberals when the **** hits the fan.

    Kind of like what happened with our mortgage crisis. 8 years of Bush leads to the worst financial crisis in America since the Great Depression.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Do you accept that there is any fraud at all? People voting who shouldnt be able to, voting for other people, voting more than once?
    Yes. I have seen some figures that a very teeny tiny number of people are convicted of voter fraud. And they are punished under the law for those offenses. And that is how it should be.

    We had a particularly ugly case of election fraud here in Michigan that went on for several years undetected until it was discovered.

    http://www.freep.com/article/2012081...amp-out-fraud-

    So why are we then embracing new restrictions on voting for ALL PEOPLE in order to combat a rather tiny problem that is already being dealt with in the law today?
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    You Leebrul, you.

    Seriously, Arizona did not present that as evidence. And, since no charges were brought against him, I have a feeling that Think Progress was on a fishing expedition.

    Quote Originally Posted by From the article in Think Progress
    Enright has not been charged with any crime and told the Arizona press “I look forward to learning more about these allegations. If they are indeed formal allegations, I will defend myself. I very much look forward to clearing my name.”
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You Leebrul, you.
    No need to use foul language!
    Seriously, Arizona did not present that as evidence. And, since no charges were brought against him, I have a feeling that Think Progress was on a fishing expedition.
    Dang! And i thought i had a Gotcha!

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    In my opinion, ID or similar verification requirements for voting would be acceptable IF there was a four year delay before implementation and funding for outreach, education and assistance with obtaining an ID. That would provide time for students, the poor, and elderly etc to get their ID so that they are not disenfranchised. Theoretically everybody should be happy with such a compromise solution.

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