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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It changed today, have you been taking a vacation from the news? The SCOTUS just ruled we cannot require that we check citizenship. Any asshat who can fill out a form, we just take their word for it.
    The form, as I understand it, contain's an "oath." We convict people and even sentence them to death, in some states, with testimony given under an "oath." We have to decide if an "oath," is to be held in sacred regard or not. If we can accept testimony under oath, in much more serious matters, then we have to accept the oath of an individuals who swear they are citizens when it's time to vote. We can't have it both ways. Pick and choose when an oath is really an oath? Nope. No can do. It is or it ain't.

    But what we should do is throw any and everyone in prison, for a long time, who lies under oath. That goes for the witness stand as it does for the voting booth. Get caught lying under oath and you go away for a very long time. That might make illegal voters think twice.

    Is illegal voting really a big problem to begin with?

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    The form, as I understand it, contain's an "oath." We convict people and even sentence them to death, in some states, with testimony given under an "oath." We have to decide if an "oath," is to be held in sacred regard or not. If we can accept testimony under oath, in much more serious matters, then we have to accept the oath of an individuals who swear they are citizens when it's time to vote. We can't have it both ways. Pick and choose when an oath is really an oath? Nope. No can do. It is or it ain't.

    But what we should do is throw any and everyone in prison, for a long time, who lies under oath. That goes for the witness stand as it does for the voting booth. Get caught lying under oath and you go away for a very long time. That might make illegal voters think twice.

    Is illegal voting really a big problem to begin with?
    Not really, and the majority of illegal voting occurs in a manner that ID laws would not prevent: via absentee ballots. Strangely, you don't hear conservatives screaming to improve the security of absentee ballots. I'm sure the fact that absentee ballots swing slightly Republican is just a coincidence.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    The Social Security card has only two bits of data. Your full name and your Social Security number.

    It doesn't list your height, weight, place of birth, place of residence, eye color, race, or hair color.

    It has no photograph.

    And non-citizens can get a Social Security card.
    Are you suggesting an illegal couldn't get an 'ID" card...

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    and the SS card is NOT to be used as an ID.

    Try and do business without one. Loans etc...

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    What does that say about the (1) training of the person who told her she couldn't use her old government ID and (2) the fact that it was only after she received publicity that any action was taken on her behalf?

    Inadequate obviously but that is not the point but rather that the law didn't prevent her from voting which you originally claimed.

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    So one of the items accepted as voter ID in the state doesn't require proof of citizenship - interesting, wouldn't you say
    Not really, a drivers license also is acceptable and no citizenship is required to attain one (in TN 'undocumented' CAN get a DL). You erroneously conflating 'positively' proving identity with voter eligibility.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    You have to show an ID to buy a gun, but not to vote. Makes sense to me...lol!
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    The form, as I understand it, contain's an "oath." We convict people and even sentence them to death, in some states, with testimony given under an "oath." We have to decide if an "oath," is to be held in sacred regard or not. If we can accept testimony under oath, in much more serious matters, then we have to accept the oath of an individuals who swear they are citizens when it's time to vote. We can't have it both ways. Pick and choose when an oath is really an oath? Nope. No can do. It is or it ain't.

    But what we should do is throw any and everyone in prison, for a long time, who lies under oath. That goes for the witness stand as it does for the voting booth. Get caught lying under oath and you go away for a very long time. That might make illegal voters think twice.

    Is illegal voting really a big problem to begin with?
    Interesting, how would you specifically propose we catch those who lie to get in the voting booth? Perjury is only 'catchable' if another is able to provide substantive testimony contrary to who perjured which makes it quite difficult to catch. Voter ID laws do not totally prevent voting proxy issues but they are a step better than not doing it.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Scalia and Roberts are Liberals? LMAO. You are a funny guy.

    Seriously, though, whatever you think my lean is has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Do you have anything to say about the decision itself? If not, I would appreciate it if you stopped attempting to troll me, and leave this thread. Thanx in advance.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In a 7-2 decision, the Supreme court has struck down a law that disenfranchised voters in Arizona. Justice Scalia wrote the majority opinion, and John Roberts was also a part of the majority decision.

    Well done, Supremes.

    Article is here.
    Why the hell would you not have some kind of proof of your citizenship? You need that to enroll in school, to get a job, to drive....

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You seriously think the state doesn't do any verification at all?
    They do no citizenship verification. They just tried to and got slapped down.

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