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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    How do YOU know we don't?

    Do you think we are that stupid?

    We just register ANYONE who signs up and let them vote?

    I have a little more respect for the United States than that.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It's one thing to respect the United States, quite another to trust fallible, greedy, power hungry human beings.
    I was wrong. We are stupid.

    We actually let people register to vote without ever verifying that they are citizens.

    We are stupid.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Exactly how do you think drugs and voting are the same?
    Where did I say it was? You made the claim that even if voter fraud happened the after a few people got caught there would be less. Hows that working out for the druggies? Keep trying to spin though.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    well, I'm not liking the ruling.. but not on the grounds of who can vote and who can't.(the case is about supremacy of law more than anything)

    I'm not liking the the idea of the federal government, yet again, trumping the states.....it sure would be nice to see state sovereignty respected once in while.
    I don't get a rise in the levis over a branch of the federal government sticking up for the power of the federal government... as they usually do.

    sometimes i think the notion of federalism is going the way of the T-rex... centralized power, once the scourge of the lands, is making a strong comeback.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    It is not spin. Your analogy does not work. People do not get a buzz off voting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Where did I say it was? You made the claim that even if voter fraud happened the after a few people got caught there would be less. Hows that working out for the druggies? Keep trying to spin though.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, I'm not liking the ruling.. but not on the grounds of who can vote and who can't.(the case is about supremacy of law more than anything)

    I'm not liking the the idea of the federal government, yet again, trumping the states.....it sure would be nice to see state sovereignty respected once in while.
    I don't get a rise in the levis over a branch of the federal government sticking up for the power of the federal government... as they usually do.

    sometimes i think the notion of federalism is going the way of the T-rex... centralized power, once the scourge of the lands, is making a strong comeback.
    I agree with this. The decision simply upheld the supremacy of national law over state law, which is unexceptional so far as it goes, but the range of Congressional law threatens to swamp and destroy the federal nature of our political system.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It is not spin. Your analogy does not work. People do not get a buzz off voting.
    But they both do go to jail when caught. Has sending druggies to jail lessened the amount of druggies? No it has not. What makes you think that sending people to prison for voter fraud is going to lessen other people from doing the same thing?

    All that you are doing is spinning to avoid admitting that you made a bad statement.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That argument doesn't even make sense. That is the exact opposite of how it was intended.

    Where do they find these justices that somehow get everything backwards?
    Section. 4.

    The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
    They intended for congress to have the power to alter any election regulations. How does that not make sense?

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How do they prove that you are a citizen?
    The same way you prove eligibility to work. Provide govt accepted documentation.

    List A (Documents that establish both identity and employment eligibility)
    •United States Passport
    •Permanent Resident Card or Alien Registration Receipt Card (I-551)
    •Temporary Resident Card (I-688)
    •Employment Authorization Document (I-766, I-688B, or I-688A)
    •Foreign Passport with temporary I-551 stamp
    •For aliens authorized to work only for a specific employer, foreign passport with Form I-94 authorizing employment with this employer


    List C (Documents that establish employment eligibility only)
    •Social Security account number card without employment restrictions
    •Original or certified copy of a birth certificate with an official seal issued by a state or local government agency
    •Certification of Birth Abroad
    •US Citizen ID Card
    •Native American tribal document
    •Form I-94 authorizing employment with this employer (for aliens authorized to work only for a specific employer)

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The same way you prove eligibility to work. Provide govt accepted documentation.

    List A (Documents that establish both identity and employment eligibility)
    •United States Passport
    •Permanent Resident Card or Alien Registration Receipt Card (I-551)
    •Temporary Resident Card (I-688)
    •Employment Authorization Document (I-766, I-688B, or I-688A)
    •Foreign Passport with temporary I-551 stamp
    •For aliens authorized to work only for a specific employer, foreign passport with Form I-94 authorizing employment with this employer


    List C (Documents that establish employment eligibility only)
    •Social Security account number card without employment restrictions
    •Original or certified copy of a birth certificate with an official seal issued by a state or local government agency
    •Certification of Birth Abroad
    •US Citizen ID Card
    •Native American tribal document
    •Form I-94 authorizing employment with this employer (for aliens authorized to work only for a specific employer)
    None of which is required to put down on at least the MO registration card. So again...how do they prove you are a US citizen?
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