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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Making voting harder for people should always be treated with extreme scrutiny. It's not as simple as you think.

    As an example, there was a DMV in Wisconsin open only 5 days a year. There are entire counties in the "black belt" of Georgia that don't have a single full-time DMV. By sheer coincidence, states with GOP legislatures pushing stricter voting laws have services aligned in a manner that would have a slightly disproportionate impact on Democrat voters. And you know what? Sometimes that's all it takes. A lot of elections are decided by a percent or two. If you can convince even one percent more Democrats to stay home because voting is a hassle than you do Republicans... Why not? And in the name of what? Stopping a small percent of the already tiny instance of voter fraud? Most voter fraud occurs in a manner that these ID laws wouldn't stop. For example: that previous statement about a daughter registering twice. IDs won't stop that. State election boards do that behind the scenes - and successfully.
    i will share some facts with you. in GA voter registration increased the following year after they passed the voter ID law

    Lessons from the Voter ID Experience in Georgia

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    why dont we just send absentee ballots to all Mexicans in Mexico so they can vote also if being an American citizen isn't required
    Non-citizens can't vote in the USA.

    If they try to register their registration will be invalidated once its known that they are not citizens.

    If they try to then vote with an absentee ballot their vote will not be counted once its clear they aren't registered.

    This isn't about non-citizens voting in our elections. This is about keeping the poor, elderly, and naturalized citizens from voting.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    Non-citizens can't vote in the USA.

    If they try to register their registration will be invalidated once its known that they are not citizens.

    If they try to then vote with an absentee ballot their vote will not be counted once its clear they aren't registered.

    This isn't about non-citizens voting in our elections. This is about keeping the poor, elderly, and naturalized citizens from voting.
    How is their status as non-citizens determined? What databases are in actual use for this purpose?
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    How many non-US citizens voted in last year's Presidential election?

    How about in 2008?

    2004?

    2000?
    still didn't answer my question i will ask again how do you keep non citizens from voting if your not required to show evidence you are one

    how do we know if we had any non citizens voting if no proof needs to be shown you are a citizen. it is like asking a blind man if some one turned out the lights.

    My city only gave out only 5 j-walking tickets last year does that mean only 5 people j-walked all of last year?

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    Non-citizens can't vote in the USA.

    If they try to register their registration will be invalidated once its known that they are not citizens.

    If they try to then vote with an absentee ballot their vote will not be counted once its clear they aren't registered.

    This isn't about non-citizens voting in our elections. This is about keeping the poor, elderly, and naturalized citizens from voting.
    what checks do they have to show you are not a citizen?

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    How is their status as non-citizens determined? What databases are in actual use for this purpose?
    Somewhere in the depths of space, there is a way for government entities to verify who is and is not a citizen of the United States.

    I guarantee it.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    I'm still amused at the concept that there is no election security without displaying your voter ID. We've been doing fine without voter registration or the ID requirement. That being said, my state is going through the somewhat meaningless motion of trying to make ID required for voting. Don't quite know what voter fraud they are going after, but it sure is going to piss off those Native Americans and college students.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    A question is asked


    As many as 13 million Americans don't have birth certificates

    Here's one case, and note that this woman is a retired government employee
    Your 'case' is incorrect or rather was incorrectly handled.
    Mitchell, who was delivered by a midwife in Alabama in 1918, has never had a birth certificate. But when she told that to a driver's license clerk, he suggested she might be an illegal immigrant.

    But a spokesman for the House Republican Caucus said Mitchell was given bad information. Brent Leatherwood said even an expired state ID will allow her to vote.

    Asked about why Mitchell might have been confused or received incorrect information about the new voter ID law, Leatherwood said only that the provision that allows for the use of state employee IDs is "pretty straightforward."
    Retired State Capitol Cleaning Lady, 93, Blocked from Voting? | Humphrey on the Hill | knoxnews.com

    And before you go skeptical on 'Republican Caucus':

    Any of the following IDs may be used, even if expired:
    •Tennessee drivers license with your photo
    •United States Passport
    •Photo ID issued by the Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security
    Photo ID issued by the federal or Tennessee state government
    Tennessee Department of State: Elections
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    Somewhere in the depths of space, there is a way for government entities to verify who is and is not a citizen of the United States.

    I guarantee it.
    ok that settles it because you guarantee it

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Low and behold, it does appear that at least one state in the Union (mine) does not verify the claim of citizenship on voter registration forms. We simply take your word for it and will prosecute your ass if you are lying.

    That's crap.

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