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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    how is it limited to US citizens if you don't have to show you are one. please explain that if you can?
    12 pages of explaining has been done.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Making voting harder for people should always be treated with extreme scrutiny. It's not as simple as you think.

    As an example, there was a DMV in Wisconsin open only 5 days a year. There are entire counties in the "black belt" of Georgia that don't have a single full-time DMV. By sheer coincidence, states with GOP legislatures pushing stricter voting laws have services aligned in a manner that would have a slightly disproportionate impact on Democrat voters. And you know what? Sometimes that's all it takes. A lot of elections are decided by a percent or two. If you can convince even one percent more Democrats to stay home because voting is a hassle than you do Republicans... Why not? And in the name of what? Stopping a small percent of the already tiny instance of voter fraud? Most voter fraud occurs in a manner that these ID laws wouldn't stop. For example: that previous statement about a daughter registering twice. IDs won't stop that. State election boards do that behind the scenes - and successfully.
    The Voting Rights Act was enacted to deal with chicanery such as you describe. No one is defending trickery like that.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Yeah, tell this sad story to the TSA next time you forget to bring your drivers license to the airport.
    A rather poor evasion of the point being made. Does TSA have anything to do with providing birth certificates?
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    The Voting Rights Act was enacted to deal with chicanery such as you describe. No one is defending trickery like that.
    The VRA doesn't cover changes in DMV services.

    And it doesn't cover Wisconsin at all.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Who doesn't have a birth certificate?
    Some old people and native Americans.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Some old people and native Americans.
    As I wrote earlier, exceptions can be reasonably accommodated.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    12 pages of explaining has been done.
    just went through all 12 pages and no one had a intelligent answer to explain how do we keep non citizens from voting

    so i will ask again how to we keep non citizens from voting if they don't have to show evidence of being a citizen?

    Its a simple question that deserves a simple answer

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Making voting harder for people should always be treated with extreme scrutiny. It's not as simple as you think.

    As an example, there was a DMV in Wisconsin open only 5 days a year. There are entire counties in the "black belt" of Georgia that don't have a single full-time DMV. By sheer coincidence, states with GOP legislatures pushing stricter voting laws have services aligned in a manner that would have a slightly disproportionate impact on Democrat voters. And you know what? Sometimes that's all it takes. A lot of elections are decided by a percent or two. If you can convince even one percent more Democrats to stay home because voting is a hassle than you do Republicans... Why not? And in the name of what? Stopping a small percent of the already tiny instance of voter fraud? Most voter fraud occurs in a manner that these ID laws wouldn't stop. For example: that previous statement about a daughter registering twice. IDs won't stop that. State election boards do that behind the scenes - and successfully.
    Any links to back up those claims Deuce?

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Let me remind you that Algore didn't go to court demanding a statewide recount, he went to court demanding a recount in four heavily Democratic counties.
    I don't care what horatio algore wanted, the right thing to do was initiate a statewide recount. When an election is close, count the votes. It isn't about whether or not it is good for one side or the other. It's about what's best for democracy, and getting the result to as closely reflect the actual vote is clearly the most democratic option.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    how is it limited to US citizens if you don't have to show you are one. please explain that if you can?
    How many non-US citizens voted in last year's Presidential election?

    How about in 2008?

    2004?

    2000?

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