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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    In the state of Texas in order to get a driver's license, one is required to have a social security card. In order to get a social security card one must have a birth certificate...certified copy, in fact. In order to get a Texas State Picture Identification card, which looks similar to a driver's license, one must have a social security card.

    In essence...it is a system that pretty much is proof that anybody with a drivers license or Texas Picture ID...is a citizen.

    Until about Aug 2012...Texans could be asked for an official picture ID in order to vote. That was shutdown by a Federal District Court, which stated the following:

    A Texas law that would have required voters to show photo identification, ruling that the legislation would impose “strict, unforgiving burdens” on poor minority voters.

    Describing the law as the most stringent in the country, the unanimous decision by a three-judge panel marks the first time that a federal court has blocked a voter-ID law. It will reverberate politically through the November elections. Republicans and Democrats have been arguing over whether tough voter-ID laws in a number of states discriminate against African Americans and Hispanics.

    The panel at the U.S. District Court in Washington ruled that Texas had failed to show that the statute would not harm the voting rights of minorities in the state. In addition, the judges found that evidence indicated that the cost of obtaining a photo ID to vote would fall most heavily on African American and Hispanic voters.

    Evidence submitted by Texas to prove that its law did not discriminate was “unpersuasive, invalid, or both,” David S. Tatel, a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, wrote in the panel’s 56-page opinion. Voting Rights Act cases must be decided by a special panel of three federal judges.

    The ruling followed a decision Tuesday by another three-judge panel in Washington that found the Republican-controlled Texas legislature had intentionally discriminated against Hispanics in drawing new legislative districts.
    And a greater reality was that the State Texas couldn't really provide sufficient evidence that there were very many true incidents of voting fraud.

    Exactly how many incidents of voting fraud would it take to alter...say a presidential election? And given that we have an electoral college system...how many states would have to have enough fraudulent votes to gain enough electoral votes to ensure a win for a specific candidate?

    In Congressional races...to get a specific candidate in office based on fraudulent votes...would be extremely difficult. Manipulating votes in a state like Texas, which has 254 counties...would require a very, very organized effort to alter primaries and/or main election periods.

    Elected officials have found way more effective means of altering election outcomes.

    Who are the real frauds....the voters...or the politicians? I vote the latter.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    All kinds of records exist in all kinds of databases. It isn't hard to check if someone has a birth certificate or passport.
    I see....so it somehow or other makes sense that "someone" will check this information out but AZ is prohibited from doing so I get the impression that you haven't thought this through.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    why dont we just send absentee ballots to all Mexicans in Mexico so they can vote also if being an American citizen isn't required

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    All kinds of records exist in all kinds of databases. It isn't hard to check if someone has a birth certificate or passport.
    Do you think the Federal Motor Voter application, which was the basis of today's decision, collects the information necessary to make this even theoretically possible?
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    They don't verify citizenship because they can't.
    Right. It's just fine and dandy to check on who I talked to on Friday and extrapolate that data into who I am likely to talk to on Tuesday but no way in hell can we allow a State to verify citizenship of voters.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I see....so it somehow or other makes sense that "someone" will check this information out but AZ is prohibited from doing so I get the impression that you haven't thought this through.
    I'll bet he HAS thought it through.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Your link claims that 13 million American citizens do not possess birth certificates. Almost all of them could obtain one and, if the process to do so isn't easy, it can be made easy. As for your counterexample, and I accept it as a valid one, it shouldn't be too difficult to devise a procedure to accomodate exceptions like Thelma Mitchell.
    Really - and yet those of your political bent think governments spend too much money. Where are the government workers who can make the process "easy"? There are almost 500,000 fewer government employees since 2009
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It is limited to US citizens. We're you under the impression this has changed?
    how is it limited to US citizens if you don't have to show you are one. please explain that if you can?

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Your link claims that 13 million American citizens do not possess birth certificates. Almost all of them could obtain one and, if the process to do so isn't easy, it can be made easy. As for your counterexample, and I accept it as a valid one, it shouldn't be too difficult to devise a procedure to accomodate exceptions like Thelma Mitchell.
    Making voting harder for people should always be treated with extreme scrutiny. It's not as simple as you think.

    As an example, there was a DMV in Wisconsin open only 5 days a year. There are entire counties in the "black belt" of Georgia that don't have a single full-time DMV. By sheer coincidence, states with GOP legislatures pushing stricter voting laws have services aligned in a manner that would have a slightly disproportionate impact on Democrat voters. And you know what? Sometimes that's all it takes. A lot of elections are decided by a percent or two. If you can convince even one percent more Democrats to stay home because voting is a hassle than you do Republicans... Why not? And in the name of what? Stopping a small percent of the already tiny instance of voter fraud? Most voter fraud occurs in a manner that these ID laws wouldn't stop. For example: that previous statement about a daughter registering twice. IDs won't stop that. State election boards do that behind the scenes - and successfully.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Really - and yet those of your political bent think governments spend too much money. Where are the government workers who can make the process "easy"? There are almost 500,000 fewer government employees since 2009
    Yeah, tell this sad story to the TSA next time you forget to bring your drivers license to the airport.
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