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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Dont say that, the Republicans think we do already.
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    How is citizenship confirmed? I don't know.

    But I'm sure its done. Otherwise we would have millions of tourists every year flooding to the USA in November voting in our elections.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Dont say that, the Republicans think we do already.
    Then there are college students. My daughter can probably still vote in New Jersey and in New York, in addition to her beloved Madiganistan.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    In reality, a six-month statewide recount conducted by a consortium of leading newspapers, including The New York Times and The Washington Post, concluded that George Bush almost certainly won Florida in 2000.
    Well, Bush did cheat, but guess what? So did Gore, by attempting to cherry pick Democratic counties for the recount. That's what led to the Supreme Court decision.

    In the end, Bush was just a better cheater than Gore was. LOL.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Well, Bush did cheat, but guess what? So did Gore, by attempting to cherry pick Democratic counties for the recount. That's what led to the Supreme Court decision.

    In the end, Bush was just a better cheater than Gore was. LOL.
    Bush didn't cheat, he had good lawyers.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    In reality, a six-month statewide recount conducted by a consortium of leading newspapers, including The New York Times and The Washington Post, concluded that George Bush almost certainly won Florida in 2000.
    You're only talking about the study that addressed hanging chads/dimples/whatever else they were talking about. Using the "strict" standard, where only fully removed "chads" were counted, Gore would have won by three votes. Any other form of counting would have led Bush to win.

    But if you take into consideration all of the other issues argued, it's not clear at all who would have won. Unfortunately, a hand recount was blocked by Bush's lawyers, the most striking modern evidence we've ever seen of a candidate literally not caring about the will of the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    You're only talking about the study that addressed hanging chads/dimples/whatever else they were talking about. Using the "strict" standard, where only fully removed "chads" were counted, Gore would have won by three votes. Any other form of counting would have led Bush to win.

    But if you take into consideration all of the other issues argued, it's not clear at all who would have won. Unfortunately, a hand recount was blocked by Bush's lawyers, the most striking modern evidence we've ever seen of a candidate literally not caring about the will of the people.
    Look, substantively, they could just as well have tossed a coin. The results were way too close to ever derive an unambiguous conclusion.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    He also has the largest number of unelected 'Czars' in US history.

    No he doesn't. Please, please use Glenn Beck's list of "czars"
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I agree the GOP is where the dems were in the early 2000s, but this old sod about gerrymandering is getting lame. Gerrymandering is a legal tactic used by both parties. Charges of "voter oppression" are silly and baseless. I for one feel oppressed as a voter over the latest indignity heaped upon us by the SCOTUS. They just decided the vote of American citizens just doesn't matter, that instead we must protect the illegal's right to vote.

    But the pendulum-like nature of politics in America is still active. Today the dems ride ascendent, tomorrow they'll be in the dust moaning about how they might not survive. Rinse, repeat. Meanwhile, while you play cheerleader for one side or the other, the court shapes our county through absolute fiat. They are what the founders warned us they would be if they were allowed the power. In short, the SCOTUS have become our Ayatollahs, our ruling council - with lifetime appointments.
    Gerrymandering is illegal when used to disenfranchise a particular ethnic group. Although generally legal, gerrymandering is sleazy and immoral and should be eliminated. Ending gerrymandering will require action by the public since it benefits incumbent politicians.

    The Arizona law with proof of birth requirement was intentionally created to disenfranchise poor people, elderly people and Native Americans and legal immigrant citizens, not just illegal immigrants. The court ruled correctly when it rejected the law as unconstitutional, which it has not done with every state voter ID law.

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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Gerrymandering is illegal when used to disenfranchise a particular ethnic group. Although generally legal, gerrymandering is sleazy and immoral and should be eliminated. Ending gerrymandering will require action by the public since it benefits incumbent politicians.

    The Arizona law with proof of birth requirement was intentionally created to disenfranchise poor people, elderly people and Native Americans and legal immigrant citizens, not just illegal immigrants. The court ruled correctly when it rejected the law as unconstitutional, which it has not done with every state voter ID law.
    Asking for proof of citizenship disenfranchises aliens, that's it.
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    Re: Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Look, substantively, they could just as well have tossed a coin. The results were way too close to ever derive an unambiguous conclusion.
    That's absurd. A hand recount, with officials from both sides observing, is much more accurate than any other method. We've seen this to be the case in the past, so why would a person argue against the most accurate possible measure? Look, pertaining to this issue, I'm certainly not against requiring proof of citizenship during registration (I don't like the way that Arizona did it, but I digress) because it ensures legitimacy. If you're interested in accuracy, then look at proof. Count the ballots.

    This whole "who knows?" business is just an attempt to rationalize not doing the only logical thing to do when you have an election result with less than .1 percent difference between the 2 sides. If Bush had lost by 10 votes in Florida, you would have the exact opposite thing to say as you do right now.
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