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    Re: Obama's Popularity Plunges Amid Controversy

    Obama is just too complicated for the average American, and so the comments on this forum will reflect that. We can only hope that a more sophisticated majority is starting to get it. Obama has done more than any other president in making the preliminary steps toward world peace. He knows only too well that America needs to separate itself from the dependence on ME oil. That of course allows the US to bring all it's armed forces out of the ME. And that's the only beginning needed to the US returning to what it was before Bush2.

    The screams of protest over this will likely begin with claims that Obama is now engaging in a new war in Syria. That's a big mistake as it's now become painfully obvious that Obama has been dragging his feet on getting involved with Syria for months. He is being forced into taking a position when in fact, he knows just as everyone else should know, the chem/bio weapons charge against Assad is another trumped up lie that is every bit as obvious as the lies for Iraq were.

    This attitude in the US will likely not change and in fact everything positive Obama has strived to accomplish could be quickly reversed by the next president regardless of whether it's a Dem or a Repub.

    And as I stated above, the hope is that there is a more sophisticated silent majority lurking behind the scenes who are more understanding and don't have their hands tied right from the beginning by their racist hate problems.

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    Re: Obama's Popularity Plunges Amid Controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    To me this all started with the Tea Party. I know, seems unrelated. But we haven't seen a new "party" influence politics in Washington since the party that Teddy Roosevelt invented. The much hated Tea Party has shaped elections since 2010. Anyway, the Tea Party represents a group of people that is fed up with the way things have been going in Washington. In this case taxes and big govt. But Washington has been scandal plagued for some time. And more and more people are getting fed up with Washington as a whole. Frankly I think the "Tea Party" concept is going to get bigger, although it may not reflected in the number of Tea Party candidates winning. It's not really a party, but a movement that stand for "enough is enough". Obama's scandals are adding to the frustration. A couple of blacks jumping ship is an indication, but most blacks are not ready to jump ship especial with a black president in office. Obama has not delivered his social justice promises, and blacks are frustrated. I don't think you'll see many blacks move to the right (or toward non-left) until after Obama is gone. It'll be long and slow, because the Left will continue promising and not delivering cause the budget for the gravy train isn't there anymore.
    Not in your lifetime will you be able to come to the understanding that the tea party is Al Quaida's finest asset from within the belly of the beast. I use the term rhetorically for the comedy value! Because honestly, it is comedy!

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    Re: Obama's Popularity Plunges Amid Controversy

    this morning, ron fournier, longtime associated press dc bureau chief, now editor of the elite natl journal and regular msnbc contributor:

    Do You Trust This Man? - NationalJournal.com

    There is a common element to the so-called Obama scandals—the IRS targeting of conservatives, the fatal attack in Benghazi, and widespread spying on U.S. journalists and ordinary Americans. It is a lack of credibility. In each case, the Obama administration has helped make controversies worse by changing its stories, distorting facts, and lying.

    The abuse of trust may be taking a toll on President Obama's reputation. A CNN/ORC poll of 1,104 adult Americans June 11-13 shows the president's job approval rating at 45 percent, down 8 percentage points in a month.

    Among young voters, only 48 percent approve of the president's performance, a 17-point decline since the last CNN/ORC poll. These are the president's most loyal supporters, and the future of American politics.

    Asked for the first time by CNN/ORC about the president's handling of "government surveillance of U.S. citizens," 61 percent of Americans said they disapprove.

    A month into Obama's presidency, 74 percent of Americans answered "yes," saying the terms "honest and trustworthy" applied to him. As you would expect, the percentage dropped a few months later but had remained steady at about 60 percent since November 2009, according to CNN/ORC. This month, only 49 percent of Americans say Obama is honest and trustworthy. That is a 9-point drop since May 17-18.

    This should worry Obama and his team because it has echoes of what destroyed the Bush presidency. After waging war in Iraq on false pretenses and trying to spin his way out of the Hurricane Katrina debacle, Bush saw his trustworthy numbers tumble. Voters stopped listening to Bush. Political allies abandoned him (as I wrote in 2005). His presidency was effectively over (as I wrote in 2007).

    Obama can take solace in the fact that the CNN/ORC survey is just one poll. Others may show that his credibility has not slipped, although Democratic pollsters tell me privately the CNN/ORC findings reflect their own.

    If this poll is part of a trend, Obama still may be able to recover. But he would need to take immediate steps to show accountability, transparency, and credibility.

    No more slow-walking the truth as the White House did with the cause of the Benghazi attacks and with the names of West Wing officials notified about IRS targeting.

    No more lies, such as the IRS claiming for months that the targeting did not take place, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper denying the existence of the NSA programs weeks before they were revealed.

    No more doublespeak such as the president earnestly claiming, "Your duly elected representatives have consistently been informed" of the NSA programs. He knew that wasn't true, or should have known.

    Obama needs to take action, too.

    The IRS scandal needs to be aggressively investigated, with the seizure of White House and Obama campaign e-mails as well as interviews, under oath, with members of Obama's team. Those responsible for the abuse must be punished. The USA Patriot Act needs to be debated and amended, and the public needs to be part of that debate.

    There is no time to waste. Obama already has earned the ignominious distinction of running against Bush's surveillance programs, then adapting it as president, and expanding it. Does he also want to repeat his predecessor's credibility crisis?

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    Re: Obama's Popularity Plunges Amid Controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Obama is just too complicated for the average American, and so the comments on this forum will reflect that. We can only hope that a more sophisticated majority is starting to get it. Obama has done more than any other president in making the preliminary steps toward world peace. He knows only too well that America needs to separate itself from the dependence on ME oil. That of course allows the US to bring all it's armed forces out of the ME. And that's the only beginning needed to the US returning to what it was before Bush2.

    The screams of protest over this will likely begin with claims that Obama is now engaging in a new war in Syria. That's a big mistake as it's now become painfully obvious that Obama has been dragging his feet on getting involved with Syria for months. He is being forced into taking a position when in fact, he knows just as everyone else should know, the chem/bio weapons charge against Assad is another trumped up lie that is every bit as obvious as the lies for Iraq were.

    This attitude in the US will likely not change and in fact everything positive Obama has strived to accomplish could be quickly reversed by the next president regardless of whether it's a Dem or a Repub.

    And as I stated above, the hope is that there is a more sophisticated silent majority lurking behind the scenes who are more understanding and don't have their hands tied right from the beginning by their racist hate problems.
    I've heard a lot from Obama apologists, but your post wins the gold ring for it's sheer liberal BS rationalizations.

    "Obama is just too complicated..."

    Take your liberal, "I know more about what's good for you than you do", attitude and shove it. We don't need a "complicated" leader, a "complicated" foreign policy or a "complicated" government. Keep It Simple, Stupid! Besides, even if we were completely independent of ME oil, we would STILL be intimately involved in the affairs of that region. Our allies depend on that oil, too.

    "...Obama is now engaging in a new war in Syria..."

    The only reason Obama is dragging his feet in regards to Syria is because he's trying to figure out a way of getting involved without having to take the lead. Just like he did with Libya. Your claims about trumped up chem/bio weapons charges is BS.

    "...could be quickly reversed..."

    One could only hope that will happen. He's screwed things up enough...we need to quickly dump all his crap.

    "...by their racist hate problems."

    Why am I not surprised? After all the other horse**** you posted, you just HAD to end it all by playing the race card. Give me a freakin' break!
    TANSTAAFL

    “An armed society is a polite society.”
    ― Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon

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    Re: Obama's Popularity Plunges Amid Controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It was the surveillance and his dismissive response to it that it did it. Prior to the NSA leaks, his ratings were solid through Benghazi, the IRS, et al. The NSA leaks and, particularly his response to them, screwed him even among his supporters. He really ****ed up and my impression is that he doesn't even care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Just the price you pay for being transparent.
    Uh, what? Obama is not transparent. The main thing that's causing his ratings to go down - the NSA leaks - is an issue of the government being the exact opposite of transparent.

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    Blacks tried the social justice route for almost 50 years, and nothing has changed for them. But getting a couple of guys from Louisianna to see the light, hardly is a fart in a tornado. It's nothing. Black leadership is still stuck on stupid, thinking that promoting a free ride will achieve social acceptance and prosperity for their people. Whites are successful, and blacks think if they do the opposite they'll be succesful too, but in a black way. The right way isn't color coded, and has nothing to do with who invented it. This whole Uncle Tom stuff is all about "not invented here". It's pride....too prideful to try what works. So they try to reinvent the wheel, but instead of a round wheel like the one whites use, they invent a square one (the free ride approach) trying to defy the laws of economics. Any black who wants to use a round wheel is labeled an Uncle Tom and a sell out. Trouble is they won't give it up, and try something different. The model has been right in front of them all along, they just don't like it....... not invented here.

    But back on Obama, look how he achieved success....not with a square wheel.
    Oop. I never realized you were a racist. The more you know.

    The longer I post at DP, the more stereotypes of conservatives that I was previously skeptical of come true.

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    Re: Obama's Popularity Plunges Amid Controversy

    even among his supporters
    Surveillance programs create chasm among Democrats - POLITICO.com

    Revelations about the Obama administration’s expansive domestic surveillance programs have opened a chasm between Democratic elected officials and their progressive base — one that could be tricky for the party’s future presidential hopefuls to bridge.

    Have Democratic voters become more accepting of surveillance tactics after blasting them during the Bush administration? Or could this become the 2016 version of the 2008 Democratic Party brawl over who voted for the Iraq War, a debate that helped sink Hillary Clinton’s candidacy and elect Barack Obama? It is too soon to say.

    But there are certainly echoes of that messy fight about whether Democrats were too close to President George W. Bush’s signature doctrine. In this case, it could turn out to be a disadvantage to have been inside the administration that conducted the phone and email surveillance, as opposed to outside it.

    “It’s more of a problem for progressives than it is for conservatives,” said Michael Lind, of the New America Foundation, adding later, “There’s less of a conflict if you’re a conservative."

    And in a politically peculiar moment — in which liberal icons like Minnesota Sen. Al Franken, up for reelection next year in a purple state, have loudly endorsed the National Security Agency tactics — the issue creates a vacuum into which a candidate on the left end of the spectrum could step into the 2016 fight.

    Both Clinton and Vice President Joe Biden, having served in the Obama administration, could face a backlash from a war-weary party base. Clinton in particular has experience with outrage from progressives over her initially hawkish stand on the Iraq War. Her carefully calibrated walkback of her vote authorizing the war left many voters in the 2008 primaries viewing her as calculated.

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    Re: Obama's Popularity Plunges Amid Controversy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Blacks tried the social justice route for almost 50 years, and nothing has changed for them.
    Right... just as many lynchings now as back then. The Klan is still holding all the political cards. Please find a clue.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Obama's Popularity Plunges Amid Controversy

    For those of us living in the real world:

    Obama's approval ratings have been in the 40's for most of his presidency. He got a bump during the election, which has faded.

    In contrast, George Bush's approval rating spiked in the 90% after the 9/11 attacks, and except for starting the invasion of Iraq, nosedived throughout the rest of his term. It fell below 40% in October 2005; he ended his 2nd term below 30% approval.

    Obama's ratings could continue to decline, but they might not. Public opinion over the NSA snooping is split, and it's knocked the other scandals out of the media cycle. It's going to take more time to figure out the likely effects.

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