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IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases [W:127]

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when mr shafer referred apps back for "more information," did he instruct his agents to inquire about the content of applicants' prayers?

who did?

did mr shafer direct his workers to demand donor lists?

who did?

mr shafer said he did not instruct his officials to target tea and patriot groups

who did?

did mr shafer contribute money to the romney campaign?

more broadly---

why can't obama say flatly when he learned what was going on at his irs for 2 years?

why does he claim to have read it in the paper?

how could his cos and white house counsel know and not their client?

why did shulman and miller lie to congress, why did lerner plead the 5th?

where is holly paz?

why did the white house blame rogues outta cincy, even cummings today concedes it came from dc?

why were obama's most pointed opponents picked out?

and why were progressives given a pass?

why has the admin's account gone thru so many tortuous tergiversations?

why do half million dollar donors to ofa get to meet with the white house every 3 months?

do you know how hard it is to get americans to say they're concerned their cic is a crook?

cnn yesterday has 47% saying the president, like nixon, went after his enemies

CNN Poll: Did White House order IRS targeting? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

that's 10% more than felt that way in may

this is a poll, mind you, of american adults

that is, if we were asking likely voters, or even those merely registered, we'd top 50

if the white house continues to fail to answer the bottom line questions above, what will those surveys suggest next month?

seeya at the hearing, homies---in the runup to the 2014 midterms

cnn's gloria borger and jon king, natl journal's ron fournier, msnbc's richard todd and many more friends or former friends of this white house urge obama to come clean, for his and their good

(links above)

stay tuned
 
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The only thing I can say about that is that when your bubble pops it's going to go 'fssssssssssstttttt' instead of going 'pop'. And the most interesting question to ask now is what is going to replace this dog and pony show you're having wet dreams over?
 
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pbrauer said:
IRS Office That Targeted Tea Party Also Disclosed Confidential Docs From Conservative Groups - ProPublica
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So it was "inadvertant" that the NOM info was leaked to their political opposite?
So it was "inadvertant" that donor info was released for them to be targeted by pro gay marriage groups exactly like prop 8 supporters?

Sorry. If they cant handle confidential information with more care than that, than empty entire departments, including the admins. Their JOB is to handle tax payer info and not "inadvertant"ly leak it.

Either they are completely ****ing incompetent or completely ****ing corrupt. Either way FIRE THEM.

Btw, the administration and the IRS have been stonewalling and lying since this started and Issa is corrupt? He looks like a choir boy compared to Lois Lerner. And Cummings has as much credibility as a sycophant---none.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
So it was "inadvertant" that the NOM info was leaked to their political opposite?
So it was "inadvertant" that donor info was released for them to be targeted by pro gay marriage groups exactly like prop 8 supporters?

Sorry. If they cant handle confidential information with more care than that, than empty entire departments, including the admins. Their JOB is to handle tax payer info and not "inadvertant"ly leak it.

Either they are completely ****ing incompetent or completely ****ing corrupt. Either way FIRE THEM.

Btw, the administration and the IRS have been stonewalling and lying since this started and Issa is corrupt? He looks like a choir boy compared to Lois Lerner. And Cummings has as much credibility as a sycophant---none.
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Issa is corrupt, he releases partial transcripts and blames the president.
 
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The Prof said:
when mr shafer referred apps back for "more information," did he instruct his agents to inquire about the content of applicants' prayers?

who did?

did mr shafer direct his workers to demand donor lists?

who did?

mr shafer said he did not instruct his officials to target tea and patriot groups

who did?

did mr shafer contribute money to the romney campaign?

more broadly---

why can't obama say flatly when he learned what was going on at his irs for 2 years?

why does he claim to have read it in the paper?

how could his cos and white house counsel know and not their client?

why did shulman and miller lie to congress, why did lerner plead the 5th?

where is holly paz?

why did the white house blame rogues outta cincy, even cummings today concedes it came from dc?

why were obama's most pointed opponents picked out?

and why were progressives given a pass?

why has the admin's account gone thru so many tortuous tergiversations?

why do half million dollar donors to ofa get to meet with the white house every 3 months?

do you know how hard it is to get americans to say they're concerned their cic is a crook?

cnn yesterday has 47% saying the president, like nixon, went after his enemies

CNN Poll: Did White House order IRS targeting? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

that's 10% more than felt that way in may

this is a poll, mind you, of american adults

that is, if we were asking likely voters, or even those merely registered, we'd top 50

if the white house continues to fail to answer the bottom line questions above, what will those surveys suggest next month?

seeya at the hearing, homies---in the runup to the 2014 midterms

cnn's gloria borger and jon king, natl journal's ron fournier, msnbc's richard todd and many more friends or former friends of this white house urge obama to come clean, for his and their good

(links above)

stay tuned
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So many question marks.:roll:
 
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pbrauer said:
Issa is corrupt, he releases partial transcripts and blames the president.
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Whose he supposed to blame? Boehner?

They are executive branch employees, their actions reflect directly on the President. He is their boss, their actions are his responsibility. Culture begins at the top. The culture in this administration is corrupt as hell or it is incompetent as hell---take your pick.
 
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Middleground said:
I thought when a group or organization applied for tax-exempt status, they could not be political?
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That's beside the point. The rules were unequally applied to conservative groups. Whether tax exemption is a good practice is a different argument.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Whose he supposed to blame? Boehner?

They are executive branch employees, their actions reflect directly on the President. He is their boss, their actions are his responsibility. Culture begins at the top. The culture in this administration is corrupt as hell or it is incompetent as hell---take your pick.
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If he is conducting an investigation, he should not blame anyone.
 
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There seems to be this big hang-up on whether or not conservative groups were unfairly targeted by the IRS. It's got both "sides" buzzing and that is what the national attention is focused on. But as is the norm, while everyone is focused on the right hand, nobody recognizes what the left hand is doing...

INFORMATION LAUNDERING. If there really is a scandal here, this is what it is.

Citizens United was a potentially game changing ruling by the SCOTUS a few years ago. Any google search of "IRS scandal" will yield countless articles from every source under the sun and the majority of those articles will reference this ruling as part of the story. But the funny part is that NONE of those articles actually take the time to digest what's sitting right in front of their faces. How does the DNC counteract the financial support given to the RNC by corporate America? Simple. They expose that corporate sponsorship by counter ads and through media pundits. Citizens United changed that by allowing 501c4 non-profits to engage in the political process WITHOUT revealing their donors. Big problem if you're running for Representative of a district and your opponent is getting support from several different 501c4s and those 501c4s are getting a bunch of corporate support for ads and other activity to benefit "their guy".

It really is unfair to Democrats and they knew the implications of this ruling the instant it went down. Remember the 2010 State of the Union Address when Obama ripped the, seated front and center, Supreme Court? This was the ruling that he ripped them for. The game changed as a result of this ruling. Because there was now a pipeline for corporate America(and really any entity in the world, right, left, or anywhere in between) to donate to the political process with anonymity, the strategy of "exposing the funding" was rendered moot.(at least as 501c4s were concerned)

This brings us to the process of becoming a 501c4. Anyone that wants to file this way can but they have to fill out an application and get approval. What is being focused on so intensively right now is the way that those applications were handled. Many applicants are claiming they were subjected to undue delays, required to provide excessive amounts of detailed information, and a number of other "discriminatory" charges. It is my belief that the truth is dangling right in front of everyone's face and it just isn't registering. All information about donors is contained right in those applications. Many of those applications had not yet been approved but the applicants were free to operate as 501c4s until they were denied. So, if there's some group out there like "citizens for liberty"(fictitious example) running adds against same sex marriage there isn't a damn thing "the other side" can do about it. They might SUSPECT that the funding for those adds is coming from some large "right wing" source but because the group running the add is a 501c4, OR HAS APPLIED as a 501c4, they can't get conformation from the IRS about the funding source.

Before Citizens United, 501c4s had to provide a separate list of donors for political activity. Citizens United changed that. I believe a strategy was taken by "those sympathetic to the cause" to provide the information that was legally available before Citizens United to "those who sought it". That information could then be taken and spread out in a variety of different ways on the internet until it gained enough traction that mainstream media outlets would pick it up. What came from an illegal "leak" is suddenly laundered. INFORMATION LAUNDERING. You could ALMOST say that this was justified because this information was freely available prior to the Citizens United ruling. But justified or not, under the eyes of the law IT IS ILLEGAL.

Mark my words, THIS is the ballgame on the IRS scandal.
 
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pbrauer said:
If he is conducting an investigation, he should not blame anyone.
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its called speculation that is what investigators do they take the initial evidence then with means motive and opportunity they speculate who is likely involved and you gather evidence to either prove or disprove that speculation
 
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pbrauer said:
If he is conducting an investigation, he should not blame anyone.
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He already has evidence of wrong doing.
He already has evidence of lying to cover how high up it goes.
He already has evidence that the Cincy narrative is a flat lie.

Why shouldnt he be blaming the chief executive? They are his employees and his responsibility.
 
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trfjr said:
its called speculation that is what investigators do they take the initial evidence then with means motive and opportunity they speculate who is likely involved and you gather evidence to either prove or disprove that speculation
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Total BS
 
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OpportunityCost said:
He already has evidence of wrong doing.
He already has evidence of lying to cover how high up it goes.
He already has evidence that the Cincy narrative is a flat lie.

Why shouldnt he be blaming the chief executive? They are his employees and his responsibility.
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1.?
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We should blame the CEO of a company for every infraction the employees are charged with?
 
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pbrauer said:
1.?
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We should blame the CEO of a company for every infraction the employees are charged with?
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look buddy you are just playing ignorant all that has been explained over and over again, thread after thread, post after post. It is old news. I or anyone else isn't going to waste their time explaining it to you again. i suggest you read and answer those question your self. the information is ready available. i suggest you get off your ass and educate your self

And yes CEOs are held responsible for actions of their employees. if you buy a product and you get hurt because a part was installed incorrectly on that product do you sue the employee who installed that part incorrectly? no you sue the owner of the company
 
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trfjr said:
look buddy you are just playing ignorant all that has been explained over and over again, thread after thread, post after post. It is old news. I or anyone else isn't going to waste their time explaining it to you again. i suggest you read and answer those question your self. the information is ready available. i suggest you get off your ass and educate your self

And yes CEOs are held responsible for actions of their employees. if you buy a product and you get hurt because a part was installed incorrectly on that product do you sue the employee who installed that part incorrectly? no you sue the owner of the company
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I didn't think I would get an answer.
 
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pbrauer said:
I didn't think I would an answer.
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I think you need to learn how to write a coherent sentence
 
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pbrauer said:
I corrected my error.
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the answers has been posted numerous times in many thread in many post. we are getting tired explaining it to the uninformed over and over, again and again
 
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trfjr said:
the answers has been posted numerous times in many thread in many post. we are getting tired explaining it to the uninformed over and over, again and again
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President Obama is innocent so doesn't matter what you say or don't say. :cool:
 
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pbrauer said:
President Obama is innocent so doesn't matter what you say or don't say. :cool:
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It's risky making a claim like that when BHO is a proven liar.
 
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Grant said:
It's risky making a claim like that when BHO is a proven liar.
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LMMFAO I'll risk it. I would bet you've told a lie in your life.
 
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pbrauer said:
LMMFAO I'll risk it. I would bet you've told a lie in your life.
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What does that mean? If I have lied it's okay for the US President to lie?
 
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pbrauer said:
1.?
2.?
3.?

We should blame the CEO of a company for every infraction the employees are charged with?
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Pete every item listed is a known fact of the case now.

The IRS admitted to wrong doing in how this was done.
The admin spin for weeks was that this was limited to one unit in Cincinnati. We know now that is false.

If you dont know these things, you should probably listen more and talk less or go read some news sources that are covering the story instead of covering for the White House.

And these groups will bring suit against the US government, not the individuals at the IRS. The President is responsible for the actions of the IRS. Thats why the buck stops there.
 
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pbrauer said:
LMMFAO I'll risk it. I would bet you've told a lie in your life.
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Pete. The President doesnt get to lie about policy and actions undertaken by his subordinates. His responsibility is to approach oversight as honestly and clearly as possible, not manage it for it political fall out and lie as he feels like to cover his ass.

The amount of water carrying you are doing is just pathetic.
 
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What gets me about this saga, is that in the case the best that Obama has done is to roll out some meaningless resignation from the IRS head that was already resigning, and then going to great pains to hide, or place on paid leave, hell in one case promote one player in this to the HC side....:shock:...Obama is being very clear, in that he is saying to the American people, and his political opponents, "Yeah, I knew about it, and authorized it, F-You!! I'd do it again, because I think it is ok to use my power to attack my political opponents."....
 
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