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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It shows the IRS was managed poorly, the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing.
    What a coincidence that the 298 cases were all conservative groups. And all this comes to a head right AFTER the election, and of course none were refused. I'm still waiting to be shown the liberal groups that were held up for over a year or more, and were finally approved AFTER the election. Managed poorly is a galactic understatement. This **** stinks.
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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I like how this scandal is about government workers doing their job correctly. Their job is to scrutinize complex and problematic applications. I don't see how it is the IRS' fault that Tea Party organizations were more often problematic than others. And then those TP orgs got their tax exempt status anyway, even though they didn't qualify. The right wing is making a scandal out of people doing their jobs correctly, and the only rules that were broken were done so in their favor. It's insane.
    Well, I guess it boils down to that first sentence of yours.

    I suppose "doing their job correctly" depends on what they have been ordered to do.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I like how this scandal is about government workers doing their job correctly. Their job is to scrutinize complex and problematic applications. I don't see how it is the IRS' fault that Tea Party organizations were more often problematic than others. And then those TP orgs got their tax exempt status anyway, even though they didn't qualify. The right wing is making a scandal out of people doing their jobs correctly, and the only rules that were broken were done so in their favor. It's insane.
    "On Monday, the new acting IRS commissioner Daniel Werfel acknowledged that the agency betrayed the public trust when, for about 18 months beginning in 2010, it targeted conservative groups applying for status as "social welfare" organizations".

    There is no doubt what happened. None.

    Conservative leaders detail IRS harassment - CBS News

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    roger simon's professional leftists and journolisters at politico, proud print partners of msnbc in the morning:

    In September 2011, Paz instructed two employees to review the groups and they told her as many as 10 “could potentially be approved at the time.” But the applications languished.

    The transcripts — and the fact that they were chosen for release — is a clear sign that congressional staffers are turning their sights to Paz.

    A GOP staffer told POLITICO the panel members might have her return to the committee for more questions because they think some of her testimony is inconsistent with what Elizabeth Hofacre, a former Cincinnati manager involved in the scandal, told them.

    Paz told the Oversight panel that despite the nickname “tea party cases,” IRS employees were instructed to review all political cases, including liberal advocacy groups.

    But Hofacre told the committee she “was tasked to do tea parties” only and would throw any progressive groups into the general inventory rather than putting them aside them for extra scrutiny.

    The transcripts indicate Paz was aware that a Cincinnati IRS employee leaked confidential taxpayer information to ProPublica after the publication asked for a “huge” amount of information. An IRS official handed it over without realizing that about 10 forms in the stack were not yet ready for public viewing, she said.

    Paz also sat in on interviews the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration conducted with IRS employees as part of its independent investigation into the scandal. She told Oversight that she and Lois Lerner — the IRS official at the center of the scandal — requested the sit-ins so the agency would “understand what information TIGTA had and what they had been told.”

    That decision helped bring Paz to the attention of lawmakers. Issa has questioned whether her presence in the meetings might have compromised the inspector general’s investigation.

    Paz noted that the inspector general was allowed a few private minutes with employees at the end of each interview.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/hill-focus-turns-to-disciplined-irs-leader-92884.html#ixzz2WUNP2

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What a coincidence that the 298 cases were all conservative groups. And all this comes to a head right AFTER the election, and of course none were refused. I'm still waiting to be shown the liberal groups that were held up for over a year or more, and were finally approved AFTER the election. Managed poorly is a galactic understatement. This **** stinks.
    From the report linked in the OP:

    Paz said dozens of tea party applications sat untouched for more than a year while field agents waited for guidance from Washington on how to handle them. At the time, she said, Washington officials thought the agents in Cincinnati were processing the cases.a

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's how leftists remain leftists. Even when they are caught with their hands in the jam jar they cannot see where there is anything wrong taking place. It's always been that way.
    If that is how you see it. Me, I judge by hard facts.
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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What a coincidence that the 298 cases were all conservative groups. And all this comes to a head right AFTER the election, and of course none were refused. I'm still waiting to be shown the liberal groups that were held up for over a year or more, and were finally approved AFTER the election. Managed poorly is a galactic understatement. This **** stinks.
    I thought when a group or organization applied for tax-exempt status, they could not be political?
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    “No men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in, because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump said... “‘Is everyone OK’? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody OK?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.”

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    If that is how you see it. Me, I judge by hard facts.


    what harder of facts do you need? I guess you wont believe anything unless Obama himself says so. right?

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    what harder of facts do you need? I guess you wont believe anything unless Obama himself says so. right?
    If you read the article by taking off your pre-conceived judgemental sinister glasses, you will see that most likely, there is:
    a) nothing political about this
    b) that this Cincy office did not get any directions from the WH.
    “No men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in, because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump said... “‘Is everyone OK’? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody OK?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.”

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    when a group or organization applied for tax-exempt status, they could not be political
    nyt, february:

    In private meetings and phone calls, Mr. Obama’s aides have made clear that the new organization will rely heavily on a small number of deep-pocketed donors, not unlike the “super PACs” whose influence on political campaigns Mr. Obama once deplored.

    At least half of the group’s budget will come from a select group of donors who will each contribute or raise $500,000 or more, according to donors and strategists involved in the effort.

    Unlike a presidential campaign, Organizing for Action has been set up as a tax-exempt “social welfare group.” That means it is not bound by federal contribution limits, laws that bar White House officials from soliciting contributions, or the stringent reporting requirements for campaigns. In their place, the new group will self-regulate.

    The money will pay for salaries, rent and advertising, and will also be used to maintain the expensive voter database and technological infrastructure that knits together Mr. Obama’s 2 million volunteers, 17 million e-mail subscribers and 22 million Twitter followers.

    The goal is to harness those resources in support of Mr. Obama’s second-term policy priorities, including efforts to curb gun violence and climate change and overhaul immigration procedures. Those efforts began Friday, when thousands of Obama supporters were deployed through more than 80 Congressional districts around the country to rally outside lawmakers’ offices, hold vigils and bombard Congress with e-mails and phone calls urging members to support stricter background checks for gun buyers.

    “There are wins we can have on guns and immigration,” Jon Carson, the group’s new executive director, told prospective donors on a conference call on Wednesday, according to people who participated. “We have to change the conventional wisdom on those issues.”

    But those contributions will also translate into access, according to donors courted by the president’s aides. Next month, Organizing for Action will hold a “founders summit” at a hotel near the White House, where donors paying $50,000 each will mingle with Mr. Obama’s former campaign manager, Jim Messina, and Mr. Carson, who previously led the White House Office of Public Engagement.

    Giving or raising $500,000 or more puts donors on a national advisory board for Mr. Obama’s group and the privilege of attending quarterly meetings with the president, along with other meetings at the White House. Moreover, the new cash demands on Mr. Obama’s top donors and bundlers come as many of them are angling for appointments to administration jobs or ambassadorships.

    Mr. Obama’s new organization has drawn rebukes in recent days from watchdog groups, which view it as another step away from the tighter campaign regulation Mr. Obama once championed. Over the past two years, he has reversed course on several campaign finance issues, by blessing a super PAC created by former aides and accepting large corporate contributions for his second inauguration.

    Many traditional advocacy organizations, including the Sierra Club and the National Rifle Association, are set up as social welfare groups, or 501(c)(4)’s in tax parlance. But unlike those groups, Organizing for Action appears to be an extension of the administration, stocked with alumni of Mr. Obama’s White House and campaign teams and devoted solely to the president’s second-term agenda.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/us...359;_r=0&_r=1&

    hypocrisy, corruption and huge amounts of money---all in the name of the public good

    in other words, chicago is us

    read much?

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