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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Was Bush held responsible for the leaking of Valerie Plame's identity? Hell no, he let Cheney's Chief of Staff
    Scooter Libby take the fall.
    Except Richard Armitage was the leaker. Pete, if you would try to address the topic in this century instead of your incessant, monotonous, moronic cry of

    BBBBBBOOOOOOOOOSSSSSHHHHHH!!! that would be great!

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Except Richard Armitage was the leaker. Pete, if you would try to address the topic in this century instead of your incessant, monotonous, moronic cry of

    BBBBBBOOOOOOOOOSSSSSHHHHHH!!! that would be great!
    I am trying to make a point here. Didn't Richard Armitage work under President Bush just as the IRS workers of today work under President Obama?

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I am trying to make a point here. Didn't Richard Armitage work under President Bush just as the IRS workers of today work under President Obama?
    LOL Ill give you some rope.
    1. Armitage did this in secret.
    2. He told the SoS at the time, who hid it.
    3. It wound up costing the SoS his job.
    4. Bush cooperated fully with the investigation.

    So you want to make a moral comparison between the two? A systemic use of fed resources to blunt the President's political opponents in an election year versus a leak Bush didnt even know about. If you really think those two things are morally equivalent you are a partisan through and through Pete. The political culture in the IRS and most federal agencies is thoroughly dem and thoroughly liberal. Look back at your own response: liberals are more likely to act in the social welfare.....according to who? Why according to the liberal echo chamber, thats who. Its absurd.

    You want apples to apples, picture the IRS under Bush doing this. You would be howling for his head on a pike. The difference is....so would I. The IRS cannot become a politcal tool like this and its up to the President and those he appoints to make sure it doesnt. Lerner, Paz and WH counsel didnt seem to do those things and more than one of them is caught in lies in one instance or another.

    As I said before the culture starts at the top. Obama is a rank partisan thug from Chicago and this IS how things are done in Chicago. If I knew nothing else about Obama other than he was from Chicago, I wouldnt be able to vote for him---even if he were a republican, because no one comes out of Chicago with their hands clean. No one.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    LOL Ill give you some rope.
    1. Armitage did this in secret.
    2. He told the SoS at the time, who hid it.
    3. It wound up costing the SoS his job.
    4. Bush cooperated fully with the investigation.

    So you want to make a moral comparison between the two? A systemic use of fed resources to blunt the President's political opponents in an election year versus a leak Bush didnt even know about. If you really think those two things are morally equivalent you are a partisan through and through Pete. The political culture in the IRS and most federal agencies is thoroughly dem and thoroughly liberal. Look back at your own response: liberals are more likely to act in the social welfare.....according to who? Why according to the liberal echo chamber, thats who. Its absurd.

    You want apples to apples, picture the IRS under Bush doing this. You would be howling for his head on a pike. The difference is....so would I. The IRS cannot become a politcal tool like this and its up to the President and those he appoints to make sure it doesnt. Lerner, Paz and WH counsel didnt seem to do those things and more than one of them is caught in lies in one instance or another.

    As I said before the culture starts at the top. Obama is a rank partisan thug from Chicago and this IS how things are done in Chicago. If I knew nothing else about Obama other than he was from Chicago, I wouldnt be able to vote for him---even if he were a republican, because no one comes out of Chicago with their hands clean. No one.
    LOL You are claiming President Obama used the IRS to blunt his political opponents with zero evidence. None, you have a suspicion because he is from Chicago?

    Richard Armitage wasn't the only one that leaked Plame's identity, Karl Rove and Scooter Libby were in it as well. In fact the reason Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald got involved was because Libby gave false (he lied) information to the FBI.

    Here is the transcript of Fitzgerald's presser after Libby was indicted.

    Transcript of Special Counsel Fitzgerald's Press Conference

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    LOL You are claiming President Obama used the IRS to blunt his political opponents with zero evidence. None, you have a suspicion because he is from Chicago?

    Richard Armitage wasn't the only one that leaked Plame's identity, Karl Rove and Scooter Libby were in it as well. In fact the reason Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald got involved was because Libby gave false (he lied) information to the FBI.

    Here is the transcript of Fitzgerald's presser after Libby was indicted.

    Transcript of Special Counsel Fitzgerald's Press Conference
    NO. Its his job to make sure it does NOT.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    LOL You are claiming President Obama used the IRS to blunt his political opponents with zero evidence. None, you have a suspicion because he is from Chicago?

    Richard Armitage wasn't the only one that leaked Plame's identity, Karl Rove and Scooter Libby were in it as well. In fact the reason Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald got involved was because Libby gave false (he lied) information to the FBI.

    Here is the transcript of Fitzgerald's presser after Libby was indicted.

    Transcript of Special Counsel Fitzgerald's Press Conference
    Pete, no offense but no ****in way am I going after this bull**** red herring of endless proportions you are pushing at me.

    I refuse to argue this topic in this thread because its such a blatant attempt at a derail that you ought to be ashamed of yourself to even bloody try it.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    NO. Its his job to make sure it does NOT.
    Where is that specified in the Constitution?

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Pete, no offense but no ****in way am I going after this bull**** red herring of endless proportions you are pushing at me.

    I refuse to argue this topic in this thread because its such a blatant attempt at a derail that you ought to be ashamed of yourself to even bloody try it.
    Fair enough, but prove President Obama used the IRS against his political opponents beyond your partisan BS. Otherwise, I'm done with you.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Fair enough, but prove President Obama used the IRS against his political opponents beyond your partisan BS. Otherwise, I'm done with you.
    Thats just it Pete. I dont have to.

    I keep driving at the idea of culture. Obama crafted a culture in his administration of politics over ethics. Your own words pointed that out, liberals only think they are capable of acting in the public interest. Political targeting was allowed because it wasnt believed to be political.

    I cant even imagine a group of conservatives crafting the same policy and acting in the same way towards liberals, they know they would be caught, they know the fallout that would happen.

    The ethics system failed, the higher ups failed, you hold Obama responsible because hes the boss. Because the culture is HIS responsibility, because the people that were supposed to prevent such a thing were HIS handpicked people. Now hes impeding the investigation. Ethics, Pete, ethics.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Where is that specified in the Constitution?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of..._United_States

    Cmon Pete, you are really grasping at straws.

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