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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    For anything, what did you hold Bush accountable for. NOTHING, because you and others voted for him twice.
    How does that not hold him accountable for any errors he might have made? The voters decided that, despite any errors, perceived or otherwise, he was still the better candidate, And of course he was.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases [W:127]

    Ya know this whole IRS thing is really just a bunch of crap. I can't believe that this kind of stuff has been going on for as long as it has. Someone needs to pay for this, whether it is the Obama administration or someone else, someone needs to be held accountable. I spoke with Judge Michael Warren, a county circuit judge in Michigan, and he told me that the tea party group that he lead was directly targeted by the IRS because it was a conservative group. Judge Warren said that it took nineteen months for paper work to be processed by the IRS, which should have happened in half that time. Now I'm not a tea party or conservative group sympathizer, I'd feel the same way if the shoe was on the other foot. It is just unacceptable that this type of thing could happen. The IRS needs an audit, but who audits the auditor? There is a political commentator who goes by Malcolm Out Loud, and I think he provides some very good insight into this headache of a scandal. I've taken the liberty of posting the link below so that anyone who would like to gain more perspective has the chance to do so. I really enjoying listening to this guy, he speaks directly to the purpose of this forum.

    MalcolmOutLoud: Is IRS Profiling Legal? Constitutional? Political?

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How does that not hold him accountable for any errors he might have made? The voters decided that, despite any errors, perceived or otherwise, he was still the better candidate, And of course he was.
    Yeah some accountability Screw up and we'll vote for you a second time. Yeah, you sure showed Bush didn't you

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yeah some accountability Screw up and we'll vote for you a second time. Yeah, you sure showed Bush didn't you
    Despite any faults you feel Bush may have had he was a tested leader with a record that one could inspect, and it was felt both times that he was a superior candidate to either Gore or Kerry. In retrospect I think the people were right

    If George Bush were to run against Barrack Obama now, purely on their records, Bush would most likely win.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well then many conservatives don't, because they didn't apply that to Bush and still voted him in. So no, conservatives don't believe the buck stops at the president.
    So your thought is that Obama is not held responsible for anything because you believe Bush wasnt? How many different ways do you want me to shred that? If you really want to discuss it, start a new thread.

    Back to the topic at hand---if you believe that the President cannot possibly be responsible for everything that occurs, that would be a good argument for two things: stronger oversight and less government. Internal investigations and IG inspections arent getting the job done and the stonewalling that has been occurring just makes the administration look guilty.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Of course the buck stops here. I don't know if President Obama has shirked from that responsibility. But you know it not humanily possible for one person to know everything that is happening around them. Heck some people in President Bush's immediate staff were talking to reporters about a covert CIA agent and he didn't seem to know it. So I don't see how you could expect President Obama to know what was happening in a IRS office in Cincinnati. I don't see how anyone would know how they conduct they their business. The growing demand for the 501c4 non-profit status is what caused the problem, the IRS were unable to handle it. The management at the IRS has been changed and that's all anyone can expect President Obama to do.
    The buck stops here means he takes responsibility for those underneath him. Thats called authority and leadership. Hes been a lot more concerned with political damage control than getting the investigation completed. Isnt Shulman still well involved with the current admin? I really dont know.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Another Obama hate thread that goes on clanking and clattering and chugging and limping along on three wheels that just refuses to fall off the tracks.

    Racists and haters just blowing smoke up a dead dog's a**.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Another Obama hate thread that goes on clanking and clattering and chugging and limping along on three wheels that just refuses to fall off the tracks.

    Racists and haters just blowing smoke up a dead dog's a**.
    here we are again. cant win the argument on merit out comes the race card. So if you disagree with a black man your racist, if you hold a black man responsible like you would any other man your a racist.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Racists and haters
    eric holder?

    LOL!

    DOJ opens criminal probe into IRS - The Hill

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    So your thought is that Obama is not held responsible for anything because you believe Bush wasnt? How many different ways do you want me to shred that? If you really want to discuss it, start a new thread.

    Back to the topic at hand---if you believe that the President cannot possibly be responsible for everything that occurs, that would be a good argument for two things: stronger oversight and less government. Internal investigations and IG inspections arent getting the job done and the stonewalling that has been occurring just makes the administration look guilty.
    Was Bush held responsible for the leaking of Valerie Plame's identity? Hell no, he let Cheney's Chief of Staff
    Scooter Libby take the fall.

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