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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do you still think President Obama is responsible for the targeting of conservative groups?
    The buck stops here. You either believe that or you dont.

    Ill ask again, if it was all so innocent, why was it stopped? Why not keep doing it if there was nothing wrong with the policy?

    If President Obama is NOT responsible for this, then thats a great argument that government needs to be smaller to be more responsible. If the left hand doesnt know what the right is doing, it must be pretty easy to perpetuate fraud and waste as well.

    You are left with a few outcome choices---Obama is corrupt or Obama is incompetent because he didnt know what the IRS was doing. The IRS is incompetent for engaging in activity thats clearly wrong ethically, or they are corrupt for doing so. Administrators at various levels engaged in a cover up of the activity or were not reporting it to those above them in the command chain to end the activity---or they did and the entire system is corrupt.

    Pick a few Pete.
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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases [W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Keep up the good work Pete! When you know they are crackers to begin with
    it's usually not going to take much to drive them completely around the bend.

    Calling your sources a POS is an important step to note. It always gets better!

    Maybe he should throw out the race card ? It's comparable to the ridiculous arguments he's been making so why not ?

    Just say " you people a wan't the IRS investigted because Obama's a black man."

    Because he's offered up no better and simply wants a very damaging scandal to go away.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    The buck stops here. You either believe that or you dont.

    Ill ask again, if it was all so innocent, why was it stopped? Why not keep doing it if there was nothing wrong with the policy?

    If President Obama is NOT responsible for this, then thats a great argument that government needs to be smaller to be more responsible. If the left hand doesnt know what the right is doing, it must be pretty easy to perpetuate fraud and waste as well.

    You are left with a few outcome choices---Obama is corrupt or Obama is incompetent because he didnt know what the IRS was doing. The IRS is incompetent for engaging in activity thats clearly wrong ethically, or they are corrupt for doing so. Administrators at various levels engaged in a cover up of the activity or were not reporting it to those above them in the command chain to end the activity---or they did and the entire system is corrupt.

    Pick a few Pete.
    Of course the buck stops here. I don't know if President Obama has shirked from that responsibility. But you know it not humanily possible for one person to know everything that is happening around them. Heck some people in President Bush's immediate staff were talking to reporters about a covert CIA agent and he didn't seem to know it. So I don't see how you could expect President Obama to know what was happening in a IRS office in Cincinnati. I don't see how anyone would know how they conduct they their business. The growing demand for the 501c4 non-profit status is what caused the problem, the IRS were unable to handle it. The management at the IRS has been changed and that's all anyone can expect President Obama to do.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do you still think President Obama is responsible for the targeting of conservative groups?
    Speaking of 'targeting', perhaps there are some who are concerned about the latest target practices of the IRS. When Your W-2 Meets an AR-15 | National Review Online

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Of course the buck stops here. I don't know if President Obama has shirked from that responsibility. But you know it not humanily possible for one person to know everything that is happening around them. Heck some people in President Bush's immediate staff were talking to reporters about a covert CIA agent and he didn't seem to know it. So I don't see how you could expect President Obama to know what was happening in a IRS office in Cincinnati. I don't see how anyone would know how they conduct they their business. The growing demand for the 501c4 non-profit status is what caused the problem, the IRS were unable to handle it. The management at the IRS has been changed and that's all anyone can expect President Obama to do.
    How do you know he didn't know what was going on? Because he said so? They said so? Now it is a defense that the President of the US didn't know what was going on for 18 months because no one told him.

    What sort of defense is that? There must be many other things they're not telling him because this guy is certainly behaving like a stumble-bum.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    The buck stops here. You either believe that or you dont.
    Well then many conservatives don't, because they didn't apply that to Bush and still voted him in. So no, conservatives don't believe the buck stops at the president.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How do you know he didn't know what was going on? Because he said so? They said so? Now it is a defense that the President of the US didn't know what was going on for 18 months because no one told him.

    What sort of defense is that? There must be many other things they're not telling him because this guy is certainly behaving like a stumble-bum.
    Either show some specific proof, or stop with the conspiracies. Hell, show actual proof that Obama authorized this and I'll be first in line to support impeachment. But all I see is pure Obama hatred and no proof.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Either show some specific proof, or stop with the conspiracies. Hell, show actual proof that Obama authorized this and I'll be first in line to support impeachment. But all I see is pure Obama hatred and no proof.
    Proof of what? It was the other poster making the claim and it simply raised more questions. Please familiarize yourself with the debate and then respond.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well then many conservatives don't, because they didn't apply that to Bush and still voted him in. So no, conservatives don't believe the buck stops at the president.
    Didn't apply what to Bush? Was Bush involved in having the IRS target left wing groups?

    Who made the claim that George Bush was never responsible?

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Didn't apply what to Bush? Was Bush involved in having the IRS target left wing groups?

    Who made the claim that George Bush was never responsible?
    For anything, what did you hold Bush accountable for. NOTHING, because you and others voted for him twice.

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