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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    when mr shafer referred apps back for "more information," did he instruct his agents to inquire about the content of applicants' prayers?

    who did?

    did mr shafer direct his workers to demand donor lists?

    who did?

    mr shafer said he did not instruct his officials to target tea and patriot groups

    who did?

    did mr shafer contribute money to the romney campaign?

    more broadly---

    why can't obama say flatly when he learned what was going on at his irs for 2 years?

    why does he claim to have read it in the paper?

    how could his cos and white house counsel know and not their client?

    why did shulman and miller lie to congress, why did lerner plead the 5th?

    where is holly paz?

    why did the white house blame rogues outta cincy, even cummings today concedes it came from dc?

    why were obama's most pointed opponents picked out?

    and why were progressives given a pass?

    why has the admin's account gone thru so many tortuous tergiversations?

    why do half million dollar donors to ofa get to meet with the white house every 3 months?

    do you know how hard it is to get americans to say they're concerned their cic is a crook?

    cnn yesterday has 47% saying the president, like nixon, went after his enemies

    CNN Poll: Did White House order IRS targeting? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

    that's 10% more than felt that way in may

    this is a poll, mind you, of american adults

    that is, if we were asking likely voters, or even those merely registered, we'd top 50

    if the white house continues to fail to answer the bottom line questions above, what will those surveys suggest next month?

    seeya at the hearing, homies---in the runup to the 2014 midterms

    cnn's gloria borger and jon king, natl journal's ron fournier, msnbc's richard todd and many more friends or former friends of this white house urge obama to come clean, for his and their good

    (links above)

    stay tuned
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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    The only thing I can say about that is that when your bubble pops it's going to go 'fssssssssssstttttt' instead of going 'pop'. And the most interesting question to ask now is what is going to replace this dog and pony show you're having wet dreams over?

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    So it was "inadvertant" that the NOM info was leaked to their political opposite?
    So it was "inadvertant" that donor info was released for them to be targeted by pro gay marriage groups exactly like prop 8 supporters?

    Sorry. If they cant handle confidential information with more care than that, than empty entire departments, including the admins. Their JOB is to handle tax payer info and not "inadvertant"ly leak it.

    Either they are completely ****ing incompetent or completely ****ing corrupt. Either way FIRE THEM.

    Btw, the administration and the IRS have been stonewalling and lying since this started and Issa is corrupt? He looks like a choir boy compared to Lois Lerner. And Cummings has as much credibility as a sycophant---none.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    So it was "inadvertant" that the NOM info was leaked to their political opposite?
    So it was "inadvertant" that donor info was released for them to be targeted by pro gay marriage groups exactly like prop 8 supporters?

    Sorry. If they cant handle confidential information with more care than that, than empty entire departments, including the admins. Their JOB is to handle tax payer info and not "inadvertant"ly leak it.

    Either they are completely ****ing incompetent or completely ****ing corrupt. Either way FIRE THEM.

    Btw, the administration and the IRS have been stonewalling and lying since this started and Issa is corrupt? He looks like a choir boy compared to Lois Lerner. And Cummings has as much credibility as a sycophant---none.
    Issa is corrupt, he releases partial transcripts and blames the president.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    when mr shafer referred apps back for "more information," did he instruct his agents to inquire about the content of applicants' prayers?

    who did?

    did mr shafer direct his workers to demand donor lists?

    who did?

    mr shafer said he did not instruct his officials to target tea and patriot groups

    who did?

    did mr shafer contribute money to the romney campaign?

    more broadly---

    why can't obama say flatly when he learned what was going on at his irs for 2 years?

    why does he claim to have read it in the paper?

    how could his cos and white house counsel know and not their client?

    why did shulman and miller lie to congress, why did lerner plead the 5th?

    where is holly paz?

    why did the white house blame rogues outta cincy, even cummings today concedes it came from dc?

    why were obama's most pointed opponents picked out?

    and why were progressives given a pass?

    why has the admin's account gone thru so many tortuous tergiversations?

    why do half million dollar donors to ofa get to meet with the white house every 3 months?

    do you know how hard it is to get americans to say they're concerned their cic is a crook?

    cnn yesterday has 47% saying the president, like nixon, went after his enemies

    CNN Poll: Did White House order IRS targeting? CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

    that's 10% more than felt that way in may

    this is a poll, mind you, of american adults

    that is, if we were asking likely voters, or even those merely registered, we'd top 50

    if the white house continues to fail to answer the bottom line questions above, what will those surveys suggest next month?

    seeya at the hearing, homies---in the runup to the 2014 midterms

    cnn's gloria borger and jon king, natl journal's ron fournier, msnbc's richard todd and many more friends or former friends of this white house urge obama to come clean, for his and their good

    (links above)

    stay tuned
    So many question marks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Issa is corrupt, he releases partial transcripts and blames the president.
    Whose he supposed to blame? Boehner?

    They are executive branch employees, their actions reflect directly on the President. He is their boss, their actions are his responsibility. Culture begins at the top. The culture in this administration is corrupt as hell or it is incompetent as hell---take your pick.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I thought when a group or organization applied for tax-exempt status, they could not be political?
    That's beside the point. The rules were unequally applied to conservative groups. Whether tax exemption is a good practice is a different argument.
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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Whose he supposed to blame? Boehner?

    They are executive branch employees, their actions reflect directly on the President. He is their boss, their actions are his responsibility. Culture begins at the top. The culture in this administration is corrupt as hell or it is incompetent as hell---take your pick.
    If he is conducting an investigation, he should not blame anyone.

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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    There seems to be this big hang-up on whether or not conservative groups were unfairly targeted by the IRS. It's got both "sides" buzzing and that is what the national attention is focused on. But as is the norm, while everyone is focused on the right hand, nobody recognizes what the left hand is doing...

    INFORMATION LAUNDERING. If there really is a scandal here, this is what it is.

    Citizens United was a potentially game changing ruling by the SCOTUS a few years ago. Any google search of "IRS scandal" will yield countless articles from every source under the sun and the majority of those articles will reference this ruling as part of the story. But the funny part is that NONE of those articles actually take the time to digest what's sitting right in front of their faces. How does the DNC counteract the financial support given to the RNC by corporate America? Simple. They expose that corporate sponsorship by counter ads and through media pundits. Citizens United changed that by allowing 501c4 non-profits to engage in the political process WITHOUT revealing their donors. Big problem if you're running for Representative of a district and your opponent is getting support from several different 501c4s and those 501c4s are getting a bunch of corporate support for ads and other activity to benefit "their guy".

    It really is unfair to Democrats and they knew the implications of this ruling the instant it went down. Remember the 2010 State of the Union Address when Obama ripped the, seated front and center, Supreme Court? This was the ruling that he ripped them for. The game changed as a result of this ruling. Because there was now a pipeline for corporate America(and really any entity in the world, right, left, or anywhere in between) to donate to the political process with anonymity, the strategy of "exposing the funding" was rendered moot.(at least as 501c4s were concerned)

    This brings us to the process of becoming a 501c4. Anyone that wants to file this way can but they have to fill out an application and get approval. What is being focused on so intensively right now is the way that those applications were handled. Many applicants are claiming they were subjected to undue delays, required to provide excessive amounts of detailed information, and a number of other "discriminatory" charges. It is my belief that the truth is dangling right in front of everyone's face and it just isn't registering. All information about donors is contained right in those applications. Many of those applications had not yet been approved but the applicants were free to operate as 501c4s until they were denied. So, if there's some group out there like "citizens for liberty"(fictitious example) running adds against same sex marriage there isn't a damn thing "the other side" can do about it. They might SUSPECT that the funding for those adds is coming from some large "right wing" source but because the group running the add is a 501c4, OR HAS APPLIED as a 501c4, they can't get conformation from the IRS about the funding source.

    Before Citizens United, 501c4s had to provide a separate list of donors for political activity. Citizens United changed that. I believe a strategy was taken by "those sympathetic to the cause" to provide the information that was legally available before Citizens United to "those who sought it". That information could then be taken and spread out in a variety of different ways on the internet until it gained enough traction that mainstream media outlets would pick it up. What came from an illegal "leak" is suddenly laundered. INFORMATION LAUNDERING. You could ALMOST say that this was justified because this information was freely available prior to the Citizens United ruling. But justified or not, under the eyes of the law IT IS ILLEGAL.

    Mark my words, THIS is the ballgame on the IRS scandal.
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    Re: IRS supervisor in DC scrutinized tea party cases

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    If he is conducting an investigation, he should not blame anyone.
    its called speculation that is what investigators do they take the initial evidence then with means motive and opportunity they speculate who is likely involved and you gather evidence to either prove or disprove that speculation

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