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    Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting


    WASHINGTON (AP) — Efforts to curb global warming have quietly shifted as greenhouse gases inexorably rise.

    The conversation is no longer solely about how to save the planet by cutting carbon emissions. It's becoming more about how to save ourselves from the warming planet's wild weather.
    It was Mayor Michael Bloomberg's announcement last week of an ambitious plan to stave off New York City's rising seas with flood gates, levees and more that brought this transition into full focus.
    After years of losing the fight against rising global emissions of heat-trapping gases, governments around the world are emphasizing what a U.N. Foundation scientific report calls "managing the unavoidable."
    It's called adaptation and it's about as sexy but as necessary as insurance, experts say.
    It's also a message that once was taboo among climate activists such as former Vice President Al Gore.
    In his 1992 book "Earth in the Balance," Gore compared talk of adapting to climate change to laziness that would distract from necessary efforts.
    But in his 2013 book "The Future," Gore writes bluntly: "I was wrong." He talks about how coping with rising seas and temperatures is just as important as trying to prevent global warming by cutting emissions.
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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    As I have said 1000 times, adapt or perish.

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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
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    Maybe overdue is the wrong word.
    Conceding to the reality is more descriptive.
    Most CO2 reduction plans seemed inadequate.
    This world's not being weaned away from fossil fuels anytime soon.
    We will adapt.
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I don't think so. I have always viewed it as a political issue. If they can't get the money for reducing CO2 then they will try to get it for something else. So far, all I've seen in the past 15 years since this stuff started is a little average cooling and sea levels right where they were 15 years ago. Much ado about nothing, as the bard said.

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    It's about growing government, redistributing wealth, and curbing capitalism. Nothing here has changed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    Most CO2 reduction plans seemed inadequate.
    This inadequate "solution" from chemists converts CO2 to methanol by using researchers' made catalysts such as: borane & phosphine. Sounds good but at present making hydroborane is very expensive from the energetic standpoint required to synthesize it. More expensive than methanol it's prime product.

    They are working on it though. Cheaper ways to create hydroborane and we can trap all the CO2 of our cars (and other CO2 emission human made stations), turn it to methanol, and sell it to the market, buy more gas with that money, and so on and so forth.

    Drive and sell anyone?

    References:

    Courtemanche, M., Légaré, M., Maron, L., & Fontaine, F. (2013). A highly active phosphine–borane organocatalyst for the reduction of CO2 to methanol using hydroboranes. Journal of the American Chemical Society, : 130614080103007 DOI: 10.1021/ja404585p

    Too green to be true? Highly effective method for converting CO2 into methanol
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    Let me ask the question for the right since they are not able to put their true thoughts into words due to cowardice. Why the hell should we care? Seriously, it is quite inconvenient to give a damn about future problems old white people will not have to face. A few decades from now they will be dead anyway. Even if they are not they will be pissing themselves and trying to remember their own names. They are not teenagers and they face death much sooner than the youth of today. Those are those youthful kids they hate so damned much anyway for supporting gays, blacks, immigrants, and any other god forsaken group that happens to just want to live. It is what those kids deserve for not running to their party anyway. So why not live it up now? They will not have to face the future. I am sure god will handle it because he seems to be really up on granting wishes and saving people.

    So stop pestering the right about this. It is not an issue that effects them. They have no concern about their actions, and they live purely for their own gratification at the expense of others. It is terribly bothersome for you to guilt them about the future of a world they will never see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Let me ask the question for the right since they are not able to put their true thoughts into words due to cowardice. Why the hell should we care? Seriously, it is quite inconvenient to give a damn about future problems old white people will not have to face. A few decades from now they will be dead anyway. Even if they are not they will be pissing themselves and trying to remember their own names. They are not teenagers and they face death much sooner than the youth of today. Those are those youthful kids they hate so damned much anyway for supporting gays, blacks, immigrants, and any other god forsaken group that happens to just want to live. It is what those kids deserve for not running to their party anyway. So why not live it up now? They will not have to face the future. I am sure god will handle it because he seems to be really up on granting wishes and saving people.

    So stop pestering the right about this. It is not an issue that effects them. They have no concern about their actions, and they live purely for their own gratification at the expense of others. It is terribly bothersome for you to guilt them about the future of a world they will never see.
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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    This inadequate "solution" from chemists
    converts CO2 to methanol by using researchers' made catalysts such as: borane & phosphine. Sounds good but at present making hydroborane is very expensive from the energetic standpoint required to synthesize it. More expensive than methanol it's prime product.

    They are working on it though. Cheaper ways to create hydroborane and we can trap all the CO2 of our cars (and other CO2 emission human made stations), turn it to methanol, and sell it to the market, buy more gas with that money, and so on and so forth.

    Drive and sell anyone?

    References:

    Courtemanche, M., Légaré, M., Maron, L., & Fontaine, F. (2013). A highly active phosphine–borane organocatalyst for the reduction of CO2 to methanol using hydroboranes. Journal of the American Chemical Society, : 130614080103007 DOI: 10.1021/ja404585p

    Too green to be true? Highly effective method for converting CO2 into methanol
    That's ridiculous.

    Never going to happen, never going to be feasable, and if they were truly concerned about CO2 emissions they would have embrased Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology instead of loading up Obama's buddies with Billions so their green energy fronts could fail, and they could pocket the change.

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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
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    Maybe overdue is the wrong word.
    Conceding to the reality is more descriptive.
    Most CO2 reduction plans seemed inadequate.
    This world's not being weaned away from fossil fuels anytime soon.
    We will adapt.
    This.

    Man made or not man made is beyond the point to me. The reality is that our entire structure in this country is too ingrained with fossil fuels to make any true sizable shift from it in any type of recent future, and you have multiple emerging countries like China and India who are going to be latching onto Fossil Fuels in a major way. Even with a fairly "swift" change on the part of the U.S., say 10 years, it's still unlikely to have any significant impact even if "Man" is the primary element causing the warming.

    Is it wrong or bad to ENCOURAGE and PROMOTE "Green Energy" and a move away from fossil fuels? Absolutely not. But attempting to massively legislate and regulate it and make it a primary focus is like trying to put ones finger into a hole in a dike while the water level is set to go over top of the wall anyways.

    One of the greatest features of the Human Race is our ability to adapt to our environment. As much, if not more, focus needs to be on responding to that and helping adapt.

    There was a technology that was in the news some years back. A group had been working on cement that could "eat" CO2 emissions. Another was working on using insects and/or bacteria to process waste into crude oil. These are great types of technology that could massively help in the future while keeping out infastructure from needing a radical rework...but they're things largely ignored becuase it's not been about adapting, it's not been about realism, it's about a slavish adherence to a notion of "Green".

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