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Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

Deuce said:
Private industry gravitates towards the cheaper option. This is rarely the cleaner option.
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Private industry gravitates towards the options that work, that are dependable, that won't cause them to increase their prices on their customers so as to not lose valuable customers.

Obama's new NSA Data Farm uses 65 Megawatts of power.

Do you think he powered it with Bald Eagle Killing Windmills and low effeciency Solar ?

He wants the damn the to work.
 
After seeing some of the ridiculous comments on this thread, I don't want to hear another word from the Right about problems related to our national debt. Ever. Considering the many trillions--possibly hundreds of trillions--of dollars that climate change is expected to cost, a $17-trillion debt is puny by comparison.

tererun, as usual, hit the nail on the head with her post. The typically older people who have no problem with our trashing the environment--and it is not all of them, but many of them--should expect the same disrespect in return. Quid pro quo.
 
longview said:
There is a realization coming, the organic hydrocarbons are a large but finite supply, without which four out five people will starve to death.
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This might not sound as alarming or spectacular as the AGW theory of catastrophe, but it is, for humans, both the real problem and a much more catastrophic one than an average temperature rise of a few degrees.
 
Phys251 said:
After seeing some of the ridiculous comments on this thread, I don't want to hear another word from the Right about problems related to our national debt. Ever. Considering the many trillions--possibly hundreds of trillions--of dollars that climate change is expected to cost, a $17-trillion debt is puny by comparison.

tererun, as usual, hit the nail on the head with her post. The typically older people who have no problem with our trashing the environment--and it is not all of them, but many of them--should expect the same disrespect in return. Quid pro quo.
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The national debt is real. The "hundreds of trillions of dollars that climate change is expected to cost us" is not.
 
ecofarm said:
The notion of 'republican' has nothing to do with individual liberty and responsibility. It has to do with organizing the populace behind a government apparatus that exercises more control over the people and thereby pushing it's actual agenda of oppressing the poor and racism.

The notion of 'democrat' has nothing to do with justice. It has to do with organizing... blah blah blah.

The notion of 'Christian' has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with organizing... blah blah blah.



See how that works?
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What's the point of your strawman argument?
 
Phys251 said:
After seeing some of the ridiculous comments on this thread, I don't want to hear another word from the Right about problems related to our national debt. Ever. Considering the many trillions--possibly hundreds of trillions--of dollars that climate change is expected to cost, a $17-trillion debt is puny by comparison.

tererun, as usual, hit the nail on the head with her post. The typically older people who have no problem with our trashing the environment--and it is not all of them, but many of them--should expect the same disrespect in return. Quid pro quo.
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No one is saying that the environment should be, "trashed". However, our economy and culture shouldn't be trashed based on fake science. Turning The United States into a third world country isn't going to help the environment.
 
Deuce said:
Private industry gravitates towards the cheaper option. This is rarely the cleaner option.
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Then why doesn't the government team up with private industries and help the, "cleaner option", become more affordable?

Take the money that is being wasted on useless green energy projects and the billions spent funding global warming witch doctors and spend it on working with private industries to find a solution.

Or, would that mean that the private sector might be more successful, obviously making too much sense?
 
ecofarm said:
The notion of 'republican' has nothing to do with individual liberty and responsibility. It has to do with organizing the populace behind a government apparatus that exercises more control over the people and thereby pushing it's actual agenda of oppressing the poor and racism.

The notion of 'democrat' has nothing to do with justice. It has to do with organizing... blah blah blah.

The notion of 'Christian' has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with organizing... blah blah blah.

See how that works?
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What I see is hugely uninformed ranting. The green agenda is one of bull****. It has no record of specific goals relating to "green", much less having accomplished such. Meanwhile, the agendas of the others that you note, such as Chistianity, Liberty, and Big Government, have quite a consistent track record.

"Green" however, has only a recent history of hyper-alarmism and foolishness. It is the new stupid.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
What I see is hugely uninformed ranting.
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For a moment, I thought you got the point! Then...

The green agenda is one of bull****. It has no record of specific goals relating to "green", much less having accomplished such. Meanwhile, the agendas of the others that you note, such as Chistianity, Liberty, and Big Government, have quite a consistent track record.

"Green" however, has only a recent history of hyper-alarmism and foolishness. It is the new stupid.
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Now I'm not sure. Was everything after the first sentence of your post a joke?
 
ecofarm said:
For a moment, I thought you got the point! Then...

Now I'm not sure. Was everything after the first sentence of your post a joke?
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Hugely serious. The joke is such as Al Gore, man-made global warming, and carbon credits. Although Fat Albert got rich off selling stupidity to the dumb masses.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Hugely serious. The joke is such as Al Gore, man-made global warming, and carbon credits. Although Fat Albert got rich off selling stupidity to the dumb masses.
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If the extent of ones criticism of the environmental movement is Al Gore, I'd consider that uninformed ranting.
 
ecofarm said:
If the extent of ones criticism of the environmental movement is Al Gore, I'd consider that uninformed ranting.
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And I'll consider the inability to read, and to substitute strawmen, as a sign of ingrained stupidity and ignorance.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
And I'll consider the inability to read, and to substitute strawmen, as a sign of ingrained stupidity and ignorance.
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It's true, I never learned to read. Ok?! I said it. I can't read! :cry
 
apdst said:
Didn't take long for it to become a race thing. Nice!!
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Ok, so you have no actual rebuttal so you want to derail into the discussion on obvious republican racism. Point noted, and you can have fun on that road.
 
Phys251 said:
After seeing some of the ridiculous comments on this thread, I don't want
to hear another word from the Right about problems related to our national debt. Ever. Considering the many trillions--possibly hundreds of trillions--of dollars that climate change is expected to cost, a $17-trillion debt is puny by comparison.

tererun, as usual, hit the nail on the head with her post. The typically older people who have no problem with our trashing the environment--and it is not all of them, but many of them--should expect the same disrespect in return. Quid pro quo.
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I don't want to hear the demagoguery and false claims from the Left way more then you don't want to hear from us about the debt.

Your premise is based on supposition and a agenda driven catastrophic fairy tale that has about as much legitimacy as a Zombie apocolypse, 17 Trillion in structural debt is substantive and can be easily quantified.

Hey, Obama's new NSA data farm in Utah is going to need 65 megawatts of power.

You know why they didn't use Bald Eagle Killing Windmills and ineffecient, highly eco-destructive Solar power to run it ?

Because he wants it to work.
 
If climate change ruins the future it will be the fault of millions of conservatives around the world that sabotaged every single thing we tried to do to fix this. If it doesn't, it will be because of scumbag liberals, scientists and other trash that worked hard to solve this problem while the courageous conservative patriots threw a tantrum face down in their pillows.

This is the first time in history your mental retardation has threatened global civilization.
 
Verax said:
If climate change ruins the future it will be the fault of millions of conservatives
around the world that sabotaged every single thing we tried to do to fix this. If it doesn't, it will be because of scumbag liberals, scientists and other trash that worked hard to solve this problem while the courageous conservative patriots threw a tantrum face down in their pillows.

This is the first time in history your mental retardation has threatened global civilization.
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Retarded is being gullible enough to believe just about everything your'e told and being partial to a idea because it suites your political agenda.

Retarded is not having the base intelligence to realize just how baseless and empty the arguments for AGW are and thinking for one second by giving more of your money to bureaucrats your somehow saving the world.

Retarded is thinking your part of some noble cause when really your just a bunch of easily manipulated pawns for a few rich and Corrupt liberal politicians.
 
Fenton said:
Retarded is being gullible enough to believe just about everything your'e told and being partial to a idea because it suites your political agenda.

Retarded is not having the base intelligence to realize just how baseless and empty the arguments for AGW are and thinking for one second by giving more of your money to bureaucrats your somehow saving the world.

Retarded is thinking your part of some noble cause when really your just a bunch of easily manipulated pawns for a few rich and Corrupt liberal politicians.
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Scientists brought you the internet, your computer, the atomic bomb, a long list of incredible works. Yet when it comes to climate change the scientists are suddenly co-conspirators or fools?

Maybe you should go back to sweeping beer cans out of the back of your truck and stfu.
 
Verax said:
Scientists brought you the internet, your computer, the atomic bomb, a long list of incredible works. Yet when it comes to climate change the scientists are suddenly co-conspirators or fools?

Maybe you should go back to sweeping beer cans out of the back of your truck and stfu.
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Scientists also brought us the practice of bleeding, Freudian psychology and frontal lobotomies. Scientists brought us the next ice age, the hole in the ozone, acid rain, global warming and when that didn't pan out, "global warming".

But if you believe whatever scientists tell us must be true, then you believe in the petition project, right?


31,487 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs Global Warming Petition Project.
 
tererun said:
Ok, so you have no actual rebuttal so you want to derail into the discussion on obvious republican racism. Point noted, and you can have fun on that road.
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If the discussion is, "obvious Republican racism", then there is no real discussion to derail.
 
Verax said:
Scientists brought you the internet, your computer, the atomic bomb, a long list of incredible works. Yet when it comes to climate change the scientists are suddenly co-conspirators or fools?

Maybe you should go back to sweeping beer cans out of the back of your truck and stfu.
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People used to believe everything the church said, too. Aren't you glad we figured out that just because the church said it doesn't mean that it isn't bull****? Taking a scientists word on a subject as being, "the gospel", is no worse than the blindly following church teachings during the Middle Ages. There are literally billions of dollars on the table that is ear marked for global warming research. it's very naïve to think that global warming researchers wouldn't stretch the truth to keep the cash flowing.
 
Verax said:
If climate change ruins the future it will be the fault of millions of conservatives around the world that sabotaged every single thing we tried to do to fix this. If it doesn't, it will be because of scumbag liberals, scientists and other trash that worked hard to solve this problem while the courageous conservative patriots threw a tantrum face down in their pillows.

This is the first time in history your mental retardation has threatened global civilization.
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The only danger to, "the future", is the Libbos who want to take us back to the 15th Century, making us all serfs, subject to the wims of the ruling class. Anyone want to guess who wants to be the, "ruling class"?
 
Papa bull said:
The national debt is real. The "hundreds of trillions of dollars that climate change is expected to cost us" is not.
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And the Earth is flat. And dinosaurs and humans walked in the same place in the same era. And souls have mass. And Obama is a Marxist Kenyan fascist Muslim. And 9/11 was an inside job.

This is why I rarely debate around here any more. Many people accept blatantly absurd lies as truth and do the reverse as well. And when we try to call them on the BS, the kill-the-messenger crowd shows up in droves.
 
Fenton said:
I don't want to hear the demagoguery and false claims from the Left way more then you don't want to hear from us about the debt.

Your premise is based on supposition and a agenda driven catastrophic fairy tale that has about as much legitimacy as a Zombie apocolypse, 17 Trillion in structural debt is substantive and can be easily quantified.

Hey, Obama's new NSA data farm in Utah is going to need 65 megawatts of power.

You know why they didn't use Bald Eagle Killing Windmills and ineffecient, highly eco-destructive Solar power to run it ?

Because he wants it to work.
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You have so thoroughly convinced yourself that climate change science is a myth that there is not an ounce of facts, research, or science that could possibly overcome your confirmation bias. You will discard any evidence in favor of it and accept any argument, no matter how absurd, against it.

Prove me wrong with your actions.
 
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