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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    link please

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    Effects of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Those are the projections.

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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    That's very long. Where's the part about catastrophe consensus?
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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    People who shrug it off as "we will just adapt" don't fully grasp the implications of what is already starting to happen. Climate change is causing food shortages, widespread displacement of people from their ancestral homes due to flooding and other natural disasters, the urbanization of human populations, and the gradual disappearance of coastal cities.

    Most developing nations are already feeling the change. It's mostly people in the privileged nations who think that not much is happening, because they are usually the last to feel any major global reverberations.

    I guess once New York starts getting submerged by yearly hurricanes, people still start caring. By then it will be too late though.

    The aristocrats in power don't have to worry about any of this. They will be safe in their fortresses in the best locations in the world while everyone else is suffering major turmoil. That's why activism against climate change has always had to come from the People, and why the those at the top aren't enacting enough economic changes. They and industry holders are rich... they don't have to care. They can keep raking in the dough and then retreat to their safe havens when the going gets tough. As usual the general public will be who has to deal with it... the "trick down" effect in action.

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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    People who shrug it off as "we will just adapt" don't fully grasp the implications of what is already starting to happen. Climate change is causing food shortages, widespread displacement of people from their ancestral homes due to flooding and other natural disasters, the urbanization of human populations, and the gradual disappearance of coastal cities.

    Most developing nations are already feeling the change. It's mostly people in the privileged nations who think that not much is happening, because they are usually the last to feel any major global reverberations.

    I guess once New York starts getting submerged by yearly hurricanes, people still start caring. By then it will be too late though.

    The aristocrats in power don't have to worry about any of this. They will be safe in their fortresses in the best locations in the world while everyone else is suffering major turmoil. That's why activism against climate change has always had to come from the People, and why the those at the top aren't enacting enough economic changes. They and industry holders are rich... they don't have to care. They can keep raking in the dough and then retreat to their safe havens when the going gets tough. As usual the general public will be who has to deal with it... the "trick down" effect in action.
    No one said it was gonna be easy, but it might be easier than stopping it, and a combination of reduction and adapting might be best.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Interesting. I think we knew that vapor trails were a factor in keeping global warming at bay, but I had no idea how much of an effect they were having.

    So, rather than those clouds of aluminum foil, which would be permanent and could be disastrous, we need more jets in the sky. That way, if we overdo it, we can just scale back the numbers some.
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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    That's very long. Where's the part about catastrophe consensus?
    There is a consensus climate change is man-made.

    Climate Change: Consensus

    Part of the body of work are the projections I linked earlier. The consensus on the projections is sort of implied. I probably shouldn't have stated it as though there is some sort of direct poll using the word catastrophe.

    Scientific consensus -> man-made global warming -> projections of consequences.

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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Comparing science to the church is just... you can't be serious right?
    I'm very serious. "Science", used to say that lobotomies were the sure-fired cure for insanity.

    Accusing the researchers of fraud because it is possible means nothing.
    Mean nothing, eh?

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    There's more credible evidence that Saddm Hussein had WMD than there is that global warming is real.
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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    There is a consensus climate change is man-made.

    Climate Change: Consensus

    Part of the body of work are the projections I linked earlier. The consensus on the projections is sort of implied. I probably shouldn't have stated it as though there is some sort of direct poll using the word catastrophe.

    Scientific consensus -> man-made global warming -> projections of consequences.
    There was a consensus that the Earth was flat at one time, too.

    During the Civil War, doctors thought that gangrene was caused by a noxious vapor in the air.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    "Be afraid! Be very afraid! ". Right? Time for the government to come in and save us?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There was a consensus that the Earth was flat at one time, too.

    During the Civil War, doctors thought that gangrene was caused by a noxious vapor in the air.
    and they don't believe that any more, why?
    Is it because the bloggers said it wasn't so, or did it have to do with scientific research?
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