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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Adapt or die.
    Humans, ravens, and coyotes are among the most adaptable creatures on Earth. We'll survive.

    Now, if only we'd quit emitting so much hot air arguing over whether global warming is real or not, perhaps we could slow it down that way.

    but, we're not going to be able to slow it down much for real.

    That said, here's my fool proof plan to end global warming (besides not emitting so much hot air, that is):

    Send up a series of satellites full of aluminum foil, each with an explosive charge. Get them in orbit, then blow them up, creating a cloud of pieces of aluminum foil that will reflect some of the solar radiation back into space. Problem solved.

    The only tiny, hardly significant at all flaw to that plan is that the exact amount of aluminum foil needed would have to be calculated pretty carefully, or we could wind up with a new ice age, maybe one of the coldest ever.

    But, if that should happen, humans, coyotes, and ravens will still survive.
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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    I think it is as much a matter of interpretation as it is scientific findings. Science has shown that CO2 can cause a greenhouse affect. I don't think anyone argues that. But is this actually happening to a degree that matters? The planet is warming and has been for quite a while. Nobody argues that even in the face of the global cooling we have experienced over the last decade. The problem arises when it becomes a political issue Even though CO2 can cause a greehouse effect, science doesn't know that it will cause one to the degree the political forces claim. Science can measure temperature but cannot agree on what causes changes in it. There are all kinds of theories. They stop being theories and become facts only when the political element gets hold of it. I don't think there is anything wrong with the science behind global warming. There are a ton of problems with the politics behind it.

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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    And the Earth is flat. And dinosaurs and humans walked in the same place in the same era. And souls have mass. And Obama is a Marxist Kenyan fascist Muslim. And 9/11 was an inside job.

    This is why I rarely debate around here any more. Many people accept blatantly absurd lies as truth and do the reverse as well. And when we try to call them on the BS, the kill-the-messenger crowd shows up in droves.
    Exactly. The national debt is a hard number while all the "hundreds of trillions of dollars that global warming will cost us" is typical smoke and mirrors. It is voodoo economics using numbers pulled out of someone's RSU. We have a national debt. We do not have a single dollar lost due to "global warming".

    The pleas to do as the high priests of global warming say we must do now, making sacrifices they say we must make in order to avoid judgement day renders them startlingly similar to cult leaders.

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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    It's about growing government, redistributing wealth, and curbing capitalism. Nothing here has changed that.
    You are aware that your feelings about the proper organization of society, regardless of how true or fitting they might be in a human context, have the cosmic importance of a mosquito?

    Black holes, comets, volcanoes, earth quakes, plague, or climate change (such as destroyed life's potential on Mars and Venus) are indifferent to human logic, morals, and ambitions.

    Whether or not humanity evolves to be "the Great Race" of so many science fiction settings or crawls around in the post-apocalyptic ruins of a dying planet makes no difference to the universe as a whole.
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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Scientists also brought us the practice of bleeding, Freudian psychology and frontal lobotomies. Scientists brought us the next ice age, the hole in the ozone, acid rain, global warming and when that didn't pan out, "global warming".

    But if you believe whatever scientists tell us must be true, then you believe in the petition project, right?


    31,487 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs Global Warming Petition Project.
    I'm not sure what it is you think you're trying to prove, you've mixed many different unrelated elements together as an "argument".

    Not everything every scientist has ever done has been perfect. You may also notice that a lot of the things you mention are small blips, things carried out by relatively few outside of the mainstream of science. Some of them are also problems scientists have successfully solved... lol not sure what you're trying to prove.

    Climate change science is not some fly by night fad, its been developing for 60+ years. There has been a large and intense amount of research done. If it were found out to be false it would be the greatest blunder in the history of science. This is highly unlikely but anything is possible.

    Aaaaaand here we have pseudoscience bs with your petition. If you did any research on it you would see it holds little to no respect in the scientific community and is largely considered deceptive.

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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    People used to believe everything the church said, too. Aren't you glad we figured out that just because the church said it doesn't mean that it isn't bull****? Taking a scientists word on a subject as being, "the gospel", is no worse than the blindly following church teachings during the Middle Ages. There are literally billions of dollars on the table that is ear marked for global warming research. it's very nave to think that global warming researchers wouldn't stretch the truth to keep the cash flowing.
    Comparing science to the church is just... you can't be serious right?

    Accusing the researchers of fraud because it is possible means nothing.

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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Adapt or die.
    Humans, ravens, and coyotes are among the most adaptable creatures on Earth. We'll survive.

    Now, if only we'd quit emitting so much hot air arguing over whether global warming is real or not, perhaps we could slow it down that way.

    but, we're not going to be able to slow it down much for real.

    That said, here's my fool proof plan to end global warming (besides not emitting so much hot air, that is):

    Send up a series of satellites full of aluminum foil, each with an explosive charge. Get them in orbit, then blow them up, creating a cloud of pieces of aluminum foil that will reflect some of the solar radiation back into space. Problem solved.

    The only tiny, hardly significant at all flaw to that plan is that the exact amount of aluminum foil needed would have to be calculated pretty carefully, or we could wind up with a new ice age, maybe one of the coldest ever.

    But, if that should happen, humans, coyotes, and ravens will still survive.
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    it may already have led to the starvation of millions
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    Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    How real and catastrophic AGW is depends on which "scientists" you want to believe. Contrary to the left's political propaganda, there are scientists in both sides and the most scientific thinking is "we're not sure".
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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    How real and catastrophic AGW is depends on which "scientists" you want to believe. Contrary to the left's political propaganda, there are scientists in both sides and the most scientific thinking is "we're not sure".
    No, no, no, no, NO, no, NO, NO, no

    NO

    No they do not agree on being "not sure". There is a large consensus that unmitigated it will be catastrophic.

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    Re: Climate talk shifts from curbing CO2 to adapting

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    No, no, no, no, NO, no, NO, NO, no

    NO

    No they do not agree on being "not sure". There is a large consensus that unmitigated it will be catastrophic.
    link please

    thank you
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