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Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

Boo Radley said:
In illogical land maybe. Marriage isn't written in the constitution, but equal protection is.
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You EVER bother to read the Equal Protection Clause?

WHAT LAW - YES LAW are homosexuals being treated unfairly under??? PLEASE STATE A ****ING LAW - NOT YOUR OPINION BUT A ****ING LAW PLEASE.

Thank you.
 
Mr.Nick said:
You EVER bother to read the Equal Protection Clause?

WHAT LAW - YES LAW are homosexuals being treated unfairly under??? PLEASE STATE A ****ING LAW - NOT YOUR OPINION BUT A ****ING LAW PLEASE.

Thank you.
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Marriage laws.
 
Boo Radley said:
And that's the same for everyone. Would be for same sex couples as well.
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And today no- one can marry someone of the same sex. Heteros can't, bisexuals can't, transexuals can't, and gays can't. The rules are same for everyone.
 
brothern said:
Funny. That's what most gay people would argue.

... but then you go ahead and deny them the ability to get married.
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They don't have a right to get married considering there is no right (or civil liberty) for marriage......

Where in the **** is it in the bill of rights that anyone can be married? oh yeah its not a RIGHT NOR CIVIL LIBERTY it's contract law.
 
Napoleon said:
This could make for the worst Monday in history. Its Monday, have 5 days of work ahead of me, and...oh yeah...I'm a second class citizen. Anxiously awaiting...
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Nope. I expect it to be gay marriage in CA is legalized and DOMA goes down under the full faith and credit law. Nothing else changes though in the other states.
 
Boo Radley said:
Marriage laws.
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There is no federal marriage law... There is DOMA (not a law but more like a resolution) but that's about it and DOMA works against your cunning attempts to even justify your position.
 
Jerry said:
And today no- one can marry someone of the same sex. Heteros can't, bisexuals can't, transexuals can't, and gays can't. The rules are same for everyone.
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In that narrow misleading dishonest way. Heterosexuals however can marry the ones the love, are attracted to. Being dishonest in how one frames it is not really a winning argument.
 
People do realize in order for the Fourteenth Amendment to even be applicable there has to be a FEDERAL LAW in place?
 
Mr.Nick said:
There is no federal marriage law... There is DOMA (not a law but more like a resolution) but that's about it and DOMA works against your cunning attempts to even justify your position.
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The federal law is equal protection, and constitutional laws have trumped state laws in the past.
 
Mr.Nick said:
They don't have a right to get married considering there is no right (or civil liberty) for marriage......

Where in the **** is it in the bill of rights that anyone can be married? oh yeah its not a RIGHT NOR CIVIL LIBERTY it's contract law.
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Since when did those who believed in freedom and liberty decide that the Constitution & Bill of Rights was the only indication of what is and is not a right? Natural rights are rights not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable. The writers of our founding documents were explicit in this. Do you oppose them? Further - Marriage is one the basic civil rights of man, fundamental to our identity and very liberties. It is a recognition that we, as individuals, have the right to commit ourselves to another person so intimately, that this commitment is made lasting through sickness, health, for better and worse times, till our final and ultimate deaths.
 
Boo Radley said:
The federal law is equal protection, and constitutional laws have trumped state laws in the past.
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hahahaha...... No - No it's not!

This is why we have a Bill of Rights - so people (or legislators) can't be vague.

Define equal protection - can you manage to do that objectively or subjectively??? No you cant... If you tried it would just be your opinion with no solid manifested foundation -- hence standard.
 
Mr.Nick said:
hahahaha...... No - No it's not!

This is why we have a Bill of Rights - so people (or legislators) can't be vague.

Define equal protection - can you manage to do that objectively or subjectively??? No you cant... If you tried it would just be your opinion with no solid manifested foundation -- hence standard.
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Oh hell, if there was some vagueness, nothing would ever have to go before the courts. Look how many times you guys have been wrong. Healthcare, wrong.

:shrug::shrug:
 
Mr.Nick said:
I'm done with this thread...

If there was a good legal argument for gay marriage then gay marriage would have been amended into the constitution.

The issue is NOT a matter of opinion but rather a matter of law and how our government passes legislation.

It's really that simple...
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DOMA violates the 14th Amendment, which provides equal protection under the law (some citizens can marry, while others cannot). If a state wants to create a law which has a negative affect on one group of people, the state must provide a valid reason. Also, the Full Faith and Credit Clause requires a state to honor a contract made in another state. The Due Process Clause prohibits states from violating the Full Faith and Credit Clause.

There is a legal basis for same-sex marriage.
 
brothern said:
Since when did those who believed in freedom and liberty decide that the Constitution & Bill of Rights was the only indication of what is and is not a right? Natural rights are rights not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable. The writers of our founding documents were explicit in this. Do you oppose them? Further - Marriage is one the basic civil rights of man, fundamental to our identity and very liberties. It is a recognition that we, as individuals, have the right to commit ourselves to another person so intimately, that this commitment is made lasting through sickness, health, for better and worse times, till our final and ultimate deaths.
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Well you're more than welcome to your opinion, however your opinion is not manifested anywhere in the Bill of Rights or the constitution...

You're attempting to portray your opinions as right, however they aren't law so your opinions are moot....

Furthermore, if you're a real libertarian where do you draw the line? what separates you from anarchists? there is only one answer to that and if you're a libertarian you will know the answer.
 
zstep18 said:
DOMA violates the 14th Amendment, which provides equal protection under the law (some citizens can marry, while others cannot). If a state wants to create a law which has a negative affect on one group of people, the state must provide a valid reason. Also, the Full Faith and Credit Clause requires a state to honor a contract made in another state. The Due Process Clause prohibits states from violating the Full Faith and Credit Clause.

There is a legal basis for same-sex marriage.
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DOMA violates the Fourteenth Amendment as much as me beating the **** out of Bill Ayers violates the Fourteenth Amendment. That or an Illegal being held at GETMO or profiled and deported...
 
Mr.Nick said:
I didn't know the Federal government of the United States of America was responsible for defining words.... When did we steal that authority?
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What?



What does that have to do with marriage licenses saying "marriage" right in the name as opposed to "civi union".
 
Mr.Nick said:
Furthermore, if you're a real libertarian where do you draw the line? what separates you from anarchists? there is only one answer to that and if you're a libertarian you will know the answer.
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Not being a libertarian myself, what is the answer?
 
Boo Radley said:
Oh hell, if there was some vagueness, nothing would ever have to go before the courts. Look how many times you guys have been wrong. Healthcare, wrong.

:shrug::shrug:
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Thats why the SCOTUS is nothing more than opinion based politics..... Not only that but the fact the SCOTUS has more power than the president...

In short the US is being dictated by 9 politically motivated assclowns.
 
Boo Radley said:
In that narrow misleading dishonest way. Heterosexuals however can marry the ones the love, are attracted to. Being dishonest in how one frames it is not really a winning argument.
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Yeah.

Why is the nanny state deciding what's "best" for people good in the case of gay marriage but not in other areas.
 
Mr.Nick said:
DOMA violates the Fourteenth Amendment as much as me beating the **** out of Bill Ayers violates the Fourteenth Amendment. That or an Illegal being held at GETMO or profiled and deported...
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You're right. Much of what goes on at Guantanamo Bay is unconstitutional.

And, so is saying that same-sex couples are not allowed to marry.

What's your point?
 
Mr.Nick said:
Thats why the SCOTUS is nothing more than opinion based politics..... Not only that but the fact the SCOTUS has more power than the president...

In short the US is being dictated by 9 politically motivated assclowns.
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How convenient. Every time you're wrong, they suck. :lamo
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Why do you believe the government should be in the business of sanctioning and bestowing benefits for any relationship?
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Because they have done so for a very long time. They bestow benefits to children and to other blood relatives. They bestow recognition and legal preference to blood relations. Because of this, they also must have a way to bestow that preference to someone of a person's choice, rather than to family members that they simply have blood ties to.
 
What if...? said:
What?



What does that have to do with marriage licenses saying "marriage" right in the name as opposed to "civi union".
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It's pretty simple - our government doesn't define words....

Furthermore 50-years-ago marriage was a religious idea, seculars and progressives just jacked the word....
 
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