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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    translation: you have nothing that refutes my statement
    He's an ideologue. And I like to use rhetoric.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    1.)So basically you have nothing. This is not comparable to separate but equal.
    2.)If it gives you the exact same rights and privileges then it is exactly the same.
    3.)The SCOTUS more or less just gave the SSM side of the argument a big black eye by allowing those 29 states that have banned gay marriage to keep their bans.
    4.) Legal Precedence that you allege fights against it just established it today--this very day--and the ink is still drying........
    1.) except facts that prove they arent the same
    2.) again you are talking about something that doesnt exists
    3.) you are free to have this opinion
    4.) false twice, thats not the legal precedence i was talking about lol nor does it fight against it

    sorry civil unions are not the same and they factually cant be
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    because you are talking about a made up fantasy that doesnt exists and spereate but equal is not equal, its factually impossible at the moment and history and legal precedence fights against it
    And you are creating a corrupt and false ideology of "equal despite being different", a false equivalence intended to force social engineering dictate.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    He's an ideologue.
    thats what i thought lol
    let me know when you do have facts that support you
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    So basically you have nothing. This is not comparable to separate but equal. If it gives you the exact same rights and privileges then it is exactly the same. The SCOTUS more or less just gave the SSM side of the argument a big black eye by allowing those 29 states that have banned gay marriage to keep their bans. Legal Precedence that you allege fights against it just established it today--this very day--and the ink is still drying........
    No they didn't. Very few expected Prop 8 to have a sweeping ruling made on it. This is a win. Most people expected to have to send more cases up to the Court from those states where bans are firmly in place and will be defended by their governments. Those are what are likely to get the bans struck down, and it is likely to happen within the next decade, if not sooner.

    And until then, same sex marriage will continue to be legalized. Even some of those states that currently have bans also have bills going up to have those bans voted on again in 2014 or 2016 because people recognize that voters change with time and same sex marriage support is only increasing. We have gone over the peak, same sex marriage is winning and will continue to win (there could be some minor setbacks, but they won't be anything compared to the victories).
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Trip View Post
    And you are creating a corrupt and false ideology of "equal despite being different", a false equivalence intended to force social engineering dictate.
    again your opinion is meaningless to reality
    you dont get to make up a definition of marriage and argue it as fact LOL thats the false ideology
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    If calling it a civil union gives you all the rights of calling it marriage, how does it not work as well if rights are what you are interested in?
    That's the nail on the head. The $64,000 question is: what perceived right is bestowed on a SS union with marriage?

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No they didn't. Very few expected Prop 8 to have a sweeping ruling made on it. This is a win. Most people expected to have to send more cases up to the Court from those states where bans are firmly in place and will be defended by their governments. Those are what are likely to get the bans struck down, and it is likely to happen within the next decade, if not sooner.

    And until then, same sex marriage will continue to be legalized. Even some of those states that currently have bans also have bills going up to have those bans voted on again in 2014 or 2016 because people recognize that voters change with time and same sex marriage support is only increasing. We have gone over the peak, same sex marriage is winning and will continue to win (there could be some minor setbacks, but they won't be anything compared to the victories).
    Nope. Prop 8 was a state constitution issue. If the gays are going to win this fight they are going to have to do it state by state.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Trip View Post
    The definition of the word isn't 'changing', it is being changed, by legislative and judicial fiat, which involves the gross corruption of fundamental terms in the Constitution such as "rights", and "equal protection". This is not the terms of this country, which is a Republic and not an oligarchy.

    Words cannot simply "change", and particularly not when they are tied to the fact of human biology, and recognition of definitive value to society as a whole, and they have not changed. They have been changed, but illegitimately changed by decree of a few.

    Scalia wrote a scathing dissent which is unlike any other dissent ever produced, indicating that the majority was filled with venom and discord, essentially indicating that the Court had denigrated to a barroom brawl, not the rule of law, and this is the result of social engineering and progressive ideology, the dictate of a few, in disregard for that rule of law.

    Scalia wrote that Kennedy and the majority regarded those in opposition as "enemies of the human race":

    But to defend traditional marriage is not to condemn, demean, or humiliate those who would prefer other arrangements, any more than to defend the Constitution of the United States is to condemn, demean, or humiliate other constitutions. To hurl such accusations so casually demeans this institution. In the majority's judgment, any resistance to its holding is beyond the pale of reasoned disagreement. To question its high-handed invalidation of a presumptively valid statute is to act (the majority is sure) with the purpose to "disarage," "injure," "degrade," "demean," and "humiliate" our fellow human beings, our fellow citizens, who are homo- sexual. All that, simply for supporting an Act that did no more than codify an aspect of marriage that had been unquestioned in our society for most of its existence indeed, had been unquestioned in virtually all societies for virtually all of human history. It is one thing for a society to elect change; it is another for a court of law to impose change by adjudging those who oppose it hostes humani generis, enemies of the human race.

    And this is from a Court Justice!

    Quite obviously, neither the court, nor the federal government overall, were created for the purpose of "imposing change", but were rather instituted in the Constitution with limited powers to specifically prohibit any legitimacy to that sort of dictate.

    Scalia even references the "majority" of Congress that voted for DOMA, and how the court is assuming the same enmity to the human race by them as well, despite the fact it was passed by 8514 in the Senate, and 34267 in the House, and signed by Clinton. Not only that, but Democratic Senators voted for the bill 32 to 14, and Democratic Representatives voted for it 118 to 65.

    Scalia writes of the opinion,:

    "Too bad. A reminder that disagreement over something so fundamental as marriage can still be politically legitimate would have been a fit task for what in earlier times was called the judicial temperament."

    The problem here is obviously what is being exhibited is not at all "judicial temperament", not at all judicial restraint, not thoughtful resolve, but rather the arrogant superiority of those who imagine they are entitled to dictate the terms of society, even when that authority is not provided them, not even this Court -- Liberal fascism.
    Scalia is a dick.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Did you need to quote any of that monstrosity?

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