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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Rights that some plurality of state judges deemed on their state. Just what was the ideology of those state supreme court judges? Were some of them atheists?
    their personal ideology and religion or lack there of it is meaningless
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    because you are talking about a made up fantasy that doesnt exists and spereate but equal is not equal, its factually impossible at the moment and history and legal precedence fights against it
    He's wobbling...

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    facts disagree with you its not easier and its currently impossible
    Then share those facts that make it impossible because I don't believe they exist at all......

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    He's wobbling...
    translation: you have nothing that refutes my statement
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    because you are talking about a made up fantasy that doesnt exists and spereate but equal is not equal, its factually impossible at the moment and history and legal precedence fights against it

    Gay marriage is not equal. It is not the same as marriage, and demonstrably not given the fact that the entirety of humanity is produced by heterosexual reproduction, and gay unions are utterly incapable of producing said offspring, which never go on to populate society, which has no vested interest in the recognition of gay unions.

    The argument against "separate but equal" only applies when the equality is in fact, not when a false equality is being fabricated and forced by the dictate of a few.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Trip View Post
    Gay marriage is not equal. It is not the same as marriage, and demonstrably not given the fact that the entirety of humanity is produced by heterosexual reproduction, and gay unions are utterly incapable of producing said offspring, which never go on to populate society, which has no vested interest in the recognition of gay unions.

    The argument against "separate but equal" only applies when the equality is in fact, not when a false equality is being fabricated and forced by the dictate of a few.
    Procreation does not require marriage to occur (now it doesn't even require sex). And marriage does not require procreative ability between those involved to be legally recognized.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

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    Then share those facts that make it impossible because I don't believe they exist at all......
    well hell until today gay marriage and civil unions and domestic partnership could even get the federal protections, rights and benefits LOL that was easy

    and currently no civil unions/domestic partnerships do get those federal protections, rights and benefits

    also based on legal precedence domestic partnerships / civil unions are not as legally binding as marriage and in many cases need filed multiple times to even have SOME rights of marriage (state, county, city etc)

    like i said you are talking about a fantasy situation that doesnt exist and facts disprove.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Trip View Post
    The definition of the word isn't 'changing', it is being changed, by legislative and judicial fiat, which involves the gross corruption of fundamental terms in the Constitution such as "rights", and "equal protection". This is not the terms of this country, which is a Republic and not an oligarchy.

    Words cannot simply "change", and particularly not when they are tied to the fact of human biology, and recognition of definitive value to society as a whole, and they have not changed. They have been changed, but illegitimately changed by decree of a few.

    Scalia wrote a scathing dissent which is unlike any other dissent ever produced, indicating that the majority was filled with venom and discord, essentially indicating that the Court had denigrated to a barroom brawl, not the rule of law, and this is the result of social engineering and progressive ideology, the dictate of a few, in disregard for that rule of law.

    Scalia wrote that Kennedy and the majority regarded those in opposition as "enemies of the human race":

    But to defend traditional marriage is not to condemn, demean, or humiliate those who would prefer other arrangements, any more than to defend the Constitution of the United States is to condemn, demean, or humiliate other constitutions. To hurl such accusations so casually demeans this institution. In the majority's judgment, any resistance to its holding is beyond the pale of reasoned disagreement. To question its high-handed invalidation of a presumptively valid statute is to act (the majority is sure) with the purpose to "disarage," "injure," "degrade," "demean," and "humiliate" our fellow human beings, our fellow citizens, who are homo- sexual. All that, simply for supporting an Act that did no more than codify an aspect of marriage that had been unquestioned in our society for most of its existence indeed, had been unquestioned in virtually all societies for virtually all of human history. It is one thing for a society to elect change; it is another for a court of law to impose change by adjudging those who oppose it hostes humani generis, enemies of the human race.

    And this is from a Court Justice!

    Quite obviously, neither the court, nor the federal government overall, were created for the purpose of "imposing change", but were rather instituted in the Constitution with limited powers to specifically prohibit any legitimacy to that sort of dictate.

    Scalia even references the "majority" of Congress that voted for DOMA, and how the court is assuming the same enmity to the human race by them as well, despite the fact it was passed by 8514 in the Senate, and 34267 in the House, and signed by Clinton. Not only that, but Democratic Senators voted for the bill 32 to 14, and Democratic Representatives voted for it 118 to 65.

    Scalia writes of the opinion,:

    "Too bad. A reminder that disagreement over something so fundamental as marriage can still be politically legitimate would have been a fit task for what in earlier times was called the judicial temperament."

    The problem here is obviously what is being exhibited is not at all "judicial temperament", not at all judicial restraint, not thoughtful resolve, but rather the arrogant superiority of those who imagine they are entitled to dictate the terms of society, even when that authority is not provided them, not even this Court -- Liberal fascism.
    So, let me get this straight. They've changed, but they haven't? OK. Just say you don't want the definition to change. Don't claim that it hasn't changed.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    because you are talking about a made up fantasy that doesnt exists and spereate but equal is not equal, its factually impossible at the moment and history and legal precedence fights against it
    So basically you have nothing. This is not comparable to separate but equal. If it gives you the exact same rights and privileges then it is exactly the same. The SCOTUS more or less just gave the SSM side of the argument a big black eye by allowing those 29 states that have banned gay marriage to keep their bans. Legal Precedence that you allege fights against it just established it today--this very day--and the ink is still drying........

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Trip View Post
    1.)Gay marriage is not equal.
    2.)It is not the same as marriage,
    3.)and demonstrably not given the fact that the entirety of humanity is produced by heterosexual reproduction, and gay unions are utterly incapable of producing said offspring, which never go on to populate society, which has no vested interest in the recognition of gay unions.

    The argument against "separate but equal" only applies when the equality is in fact, not when a false equality is being fabricated and forced by the dictate of a few.
    1.) I agree thats why its discrimination and we are chaining it
    2.) your opinion is meaningless on this issue
    3.) procreation/off spring is meaningless to legal marriage

    thanks for your opinion in 2 and 3 but they have no barring on the debate
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