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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    DOMA essentially punishes states that recognize SSM. Those people are legally wed but cannot receive federal benefits due to the federal government legislating marriage which is not their jurisdiction.
    States don't get to decide who gets federal benefits, that's the feds who have that duty. That makes DOMA precisely in their "jurisdiction".

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Excuse me, do you get to define murder, grand larcency, contract law, to suit yourself???
    All of your examples include harm or the potential thereof.

    How does gay marriage affect you in any way?
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The difference is that those things, cats and tables, are not guaranteed rights by the US Constitution, citizens of the US are, including gay citizens and anyone who might want to marry another person that they would want to marry but can't just because of their gender.
    Really? animals don't have rights???

    Then why did Michael Vick go to prison? why do sick people who torture animals go to prison? Why are some animals protected?

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I married because of love, to legitimize our children, and the BENEFITS. When you're willing to admit that the benefits are the underlying reason, I'll take you seriously...
    I've never said it wasn't the benefits as a part of the reason. That is a major part of it and nothing to be ashamed of. One group of people should not be able to get those benefits while they are denied to another group just on the basis of their relative genders.

    I got married out of love and commitment to my husband and the BENEFITS too (legitimizing my children is in no way a priority to me, I would love them just as much if their father and I weren't married and they would be no less legitimate either). I want others to be able to get those same benefits I have no matter what their relative sexes are and there is no legitimate reason to deny those benefits to them in the form of legal marriage.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Really? animals don't have rights???

    Then why did Michael Vick go to prison? why do sick people who torture animals go to prison? Why are some animals protected?
    Not protected by the Constitution they don't. Animals have rights protected by our laws, only. There is a difference. In giving animals a right under our laws, we agree by only a simple majority to grant them certain rights, such as not treating them cruelly. Those can also be taken away by a simple majority as well.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it really hasn't. Not in this context. Always been one man/one woman or one man/X number of women. If you want to include the later in the modern definition, more power to ya. But SSM has never fallen within the definition of marriage.

    And the states HAVE decided. The vast majority have decided against SSM. And the few outliers, most allow it only through court decision and in opposition of the will of the electorate.
    Not going one direction doesn't mean it hasn't been redefined. And it has been define in other ways: as a business deal, unifying families, for reasons other than love, etc.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Have I stated a State recognized marriage should not?
    What would be the point of a state not allowing gays to marry, then? They ould just get married in a state that does.

    Do you understand how much you undermine yourself when you do this.

    In the econ forum you made some apparently good points. But now I have to assume your info came from the same place your views on equality do.
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I've never said it wasn't the benefits as a part of the reason. That is a major part of it and nothing to be ashamed of. One group of people should not be able to get those benefits while they are denied to another group just on the basis of their relative genders.

    I got married out of love and commitment to my husband and the BENEFITS too (legitimizing my children is in no way a priority to me, I would love them just as much if their father and I weren't married and they would be no less legitimate either). I want others to be able to get those same benefits I have no matter what their relative sexes are and there is no legitimate reason to deny those benefits to them in the form of legal marriage.
    Why should the government bestow benefits to an individual or couple because of their life choices?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    What would be the point of a state not allowing gays to marry, then? They ould just get married in a state that does.

    Do you understand how much you undermine yourself when you do this.

    In the econ forum you made some apparently good points. But now I have to assume your info came from the same place your views on equality do.
    I take it you're placing me on ignore...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    No, you've studiously ignored it. Do you think laws defining marriage as between men and women have been unconstitutional since 1868, or is it some more recent date?
    Have homosexuals been marrying since the Amendment? If not, yes. What don't you understand?

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