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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Trip View Post
    Marriage involving a man and a woman is no more an irrelevant "restriction" to marriage, than biological fact is an irrelevant "restriction" to reproduction.


    "How the law works" is actually based on the fact of human interaction in society, not how people want society to be, or want people to interact, dictated by law. The latter of which are known as "Social Engineering" dictate, and is rejected by our free society, and is not a legitimate authority of government under the Constitution.
    You have a warp sense of freedom. Our society just became a little bit freer today.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

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    Any ever call you a drama queen.

    I hardly think we have worry about people reproducing.

    This isn't about people reproducing, or worrying about people reproducing, this is about the fact of human reproduction, the fact that it can occur outside of a stable committed familial unit, and the fact that such reproduction is contrary to the interest of societies throughout mankind's history, hence the reason these societies have invariably, without exception, recognized the public commitment that is heterosexual marriage.

    You yourself are undeniably a byproduct of those heterosexual unions, making your dismissal of their importance to society somewhat ironic.

    Anyone ever call you.. naa ... never mind.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Trip View Post
    Those cultures did not recognize marriage to be something other than heterosexual union, and did not recognize gay marriage universally, but specifically, ancient Greece and Rome only recognized gay unions among some select few, and did so only shortly before the collapse and overthrow of these sociheterosexual unions, and this is how societies the world over are populated.
    Almost precisely the opposite is true, in fact: homosexual marriages had been known since the days of the Sacred Band of Thebes in antiquity, and were not done away with (and were, in fact, normalized by the Romans upon their absorption of the Persians with their homosexual temple weddings) until the ascension of Constantine and Christianity almost a thousand years later - and near the end of the Roman Empire.

    Judeo-Christianity and its undermining of traditional Latin values (including the liberal policy of allowing converted Goths to serve in the Empire's military) had a far more deleterious effect on Rome than homosexuals ever did.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    You have a warp sense of freedom. Our society just became a little bit freer today.
    Our society was just condemned today to its own painful death.


    Scalia nailed it in his dissent, indicating "Diseased root: an exalted notion of the role of this court in American democratic society". That diseased root is reference not only to a diseased tree, but the eventual demise of that tree. And we have the ancient Greeks and Romans before us as proof.

    That's not freedom; it's utter stupidity.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Trip View Post
    This isn't about people reproducing, or worrying about people reproducing, this is about the fact of human reproduction, the fact that it can occur outside of a stable committed familial unit, and the fact that such reproduction is contrary to the interest of societies throughout mankind's history, hence the reason these societies have invariably, without exception, recognized the public commitment that is heterosexual marriage.

    You yourself are undeniably a byproduct of those heterosexual unions, making your dismissal of their importance to society somewhat ironic.

    Anyone ever call you.. naa ... never mind.
    The overturning of Prop 8, or in the larger context gay marriage, has no effect on stopping heterosexual marriage.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Trip View Post
    This isn't about people reproducing, or worrying about people reproducing, this is about the fact of human reproduction, the fact that it can occur outside of a stable committed familial unit, and the fact that such reproduction is contrary to the interest of societies throughout mankind's history, hence the reason these societies have invariably, without exception, recognized the public commitment that is heterosexual marriage.

    You yourself are undeniably a byproduct of those heterosexual unions, making your dismissal of their importance to society somewhat ironic.

    Anyone ever call you.. naa ... never mind.

    Heterosexual marriage is still recognized by the State. And Im fairly sure people will still get married.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Trip View Post
    Our society was just condemned today to its own painful death.


    Scalia nailed it in his dissent, indicating "Diseased root: an exalted notion of the role of this court in American democratic society". That diseased root is reference not only to a diseased tree, but the eventual demise of that tree. And we have the ancient Greeks and Romans before us as proof.

    That's not freedom; it's utter stupidity.
    I repeat: per Edward Gibson, it was the imposition of an alien ideology of levelling disguised as a monotheistic religion upon the polyglot, panpaganistic Roman Empire that destroyed it, not homosexuality, which ceased to be tolerated officially after the Edict of Milan.
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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Trip View Post
    Our society was just condemned today to its own painful death.


    Scalia nailed it in his dissent, indicating "Diseased root: an exalted notion of the role of this court in American democratic society". That diseased root is reference not only to a diseased tree, but the eventual demise of that tree. And we have the ancient Greeks and Romans before us as proof.

    That's not freedom; it's utter stupidity.
    Homosexuality is not a disease. And homosexuals have made massive positive contributions to society. Alan Turing who was literally tortured and eventually committed suicide is most often considered the father of the computer. They also form family units and raise well adjusted children.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Almost precisely the opposite is true, in fact: homosexual marriages had been known since the days of the Sacred Band of Thebes in antiquity, and were not done away with (and were, in fact, normalized by the Romans upon their absorption of the Persians with their homosexual temple weddings) until the ascension of Constantine and Christianity almost a thousand years later - and near the end of the Roman Empire.

    They not only were done away with, but were outlawed, often under penalty of death.

    They were not universally normalized by the Romans, but it was only recognized among a select few, along with the abandonment of Republican principles, the dissolution of the rule of law, and the creation of the deified Caesars, and this was right before the collapse of the Roman empire.

    We've already created our own deified Caesars today, a select few dictating the terms of society, in disregard to the law of the land, and haphazardly dolling out the rule of law according to various subjective standards, such as "Social Justice". And not so long ago we were told by a 5-4 decision, made by a last minute vote-flip, that indicated the federal government has de facto ownershp of each and every citizens body, and is able to dictate the most fundamental terms of their existence. That's wonderful freedom.

    We've not deviated at all from that very worn path of those Greeks and Romans, and much of this is due to the fact that our federal education system does not actually teach history, much less encourage independent thought.

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    Re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Homosexuality is not a disease. And homosexuals have made massive positive contributions to society. Alan Turing who was literally tortured and eventually committed suicide is most often considered the father of the computer. They also form family units and raise well adjusted children.
    The reference to 'diseased root" is not calling homosexuality a disease!

    And while Homosexuals have made 'massive positive contributions to society", these contributions have not come as a result of them being homosexuals, which is the context of the discussion and Society's vested interest in heterosexual marriage.

    They also do not form family units with their own children born of that relationship, but rather the children are only the result of severed social and biological ties, hence a harm to society.

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