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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    QUOTE=tererun;1061969540]... I am not holding my breath they will do it, but i am wondering what the hell is up with them delaying this announcement by another weak. News outlets are having a hell of a time recycling their speculations over and over again.
    Another of SSM advocate's talking points is that church goers can easily practice their religion even if SSM is legal. I don't know if you've followed my postings on the SSM debate, but that is exactly my argument against SSM. A SS union can have all the rights and responsibilities of marriage. You see, in Oregon, California, Washington, Nevada, and Colorado, legislation has already been passed in those states to give unions all the rights and responsibilties of marriage. A union can adopt. A union can share each other's assets. Tax advantages would problably be a federal bill. Not at all impossible.

    There's nothing to prevent a SS couple from having a union that has all the rights and responsibilites of marriage in those states. And the legislation isn't, IMO, at all controversial. IOW, other states will follow suit.

    See the disconnect? See the unfairness? One of the reasons SSM advocates give for church goers to accede SSM is that they can practice their religon anyway. I'm saying SS unions can practice their union with all the rights and responsibilites of marriage anyway.
    SSM isn't about rights. It's about normalizing homosexuality. When offered a civil union with all the rights of marriage, the homosexual community rejected it because they feared accepting civil unions, complete with ALL the rights and privileges of marriage would prevent them from ever getting it called marriage and having it equated to heterosexual lifestyles. I always thought it was peculiar that those who sought alternative lifestyles came to want to mimic the heterosexual lifestyle model. It seems to me that an alternative sanctioned union would be appropriate for an alternative lifestyle.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    SSM isn't about rights. It's about normalizing homosexuality. When offered a civil union with all the rights of marriage, the homosexual community rejected it because they feared accepting civil unions, complete with ALL the rights and privileges of marriage would prevent them from ever getting it called marriage and having it equated to heterosexual lifestyles. I always thought it was peculiar that those who sought alternative lifestyles came to want to mimic the heterosexual lifestyle model. It seems to me that an alternative sanctioned union would be appropriate for an alternative lifestyle.
    It is not an alternative lifestyle, we are just living like everyone else. We are not freaks, we are normal people who do normal things, it's that simple.

    And civil unions don't have all the rights and privileges of marriage, that is the problem. That is why we don't accept it.

    Also yes, we want to normalize homosexuality, because it has been unfairly marginalized, we are not weird people, we are ordinary citizens that deserve the same rights as everyone else. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, and I will not be ashamed of promoting that message.
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    I have a solution.

    If the right grants liberty to us. We will agree not to take your guns.

    If I dint have liberty you wint either.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    I have a solution.

    If the right grants liberty to us. We will agree not to take your guns.

    If I dint have liberty you wint either.
    Well, since you have utterly failed in taking guns, not exactly a genuine bargain. Now if you said, "Give us gay marriage and we will ban abortion" then you might have some takers.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

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    Well, since you have utterly failed in taking guns, not exactly a genuine bargain. Now if you said, "Give us gay marriage and we will ban abortion" then you might have some takers.
    If you think that guns cant be banned your wrong. They can and will be unless the right wing starts caring more about liberty than forcing their religion on others.

    If you take my liberty I will vote to take yours.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    If you think that guns cant be banned your wrong. They can and will be unless the right wing starts caring more about liberty than forcing their religion on others.

    If you take my liberty I will vote to take yours.
    Oh I am so so scared--someone om the internet thinks their one vote can accomplish what the President and the Democratic leadership have utterly failed to do and will continue to fail to do until the Constitution is amended.

    ...and BTW, in case you have not noticed, most of the anti-SSM marriage laws were passed by the public, not evil straight people in a smoke-filled backroom. Nothing like the vote tally to refute the generic polling.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It is not an alternative lifestyle,
    The gay and lesbian lifestyle is not an "alternative".

    It is an understandable consequence of the birth defect of homosexuality: http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...post1061800678


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    we are just living like everyone else.
    Yes, coping like every imperfect person we all are does: the best we can.


    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    We are not freaks,
    No more than those suffering cleft palate, transsexuality, spina bifida, etc. are freaks.

    Sadly, however, there are bullies who demean and belittle birth defect sufferers, an egregious behavior.


    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    we are normal people who do normal things, it's that simple.
    Actually true for the most part, though with one huge exception: homosexual-specific behavior -- that behavior is, most certainly, abnormal with respect to the general population, though not abnormal for homosexuals.

    This is because the area of the birth defect of homosexuality is located in the brain, located mostly in the part of the brain responsible for "gender attracted-to" and a little in the part of the brain resposible for "gender identity".


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    And civil unions don't have all the rights and privileges of marriage, that is the problem. That is why we don't accept it.
    The truth of the matter is that most states don't have domestic partner civil unions other than marriage, and it takes a lot of effort to encourage and realize the legislative effort to enact such a specifically appropriately named ("homarriage") civil union domestic partnership in each state. That is the real problem.

    So the short-cut of hijacking the word "marriage" to oxymoronically attempt a redefinement is being attempted, which accounts for the understandable opposition.


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    Also yes, we want to normalize homosexuality,
    That can't be done in the literal sense, as homosexuals are merely roughly 2% of the population (with bisexuals about 6%).

    If what you mean by "normalize" is "make the straight public aware and accepting and use to homosexuals", yes that can be done ..

    .. But not by attempting to hijack and oxymoronically redefine the word "marriage".

    That will only garner you understandable animosity, and never acceptance.


    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    because it has been unfairly marginalized,
    Yes, this is true, marginalized due to ignorance.

    But now that we know that homosexuality is a birth defect, that will go a long way to changing atttitudes toward homosexuals for the better, providing, of course, that homosexuals don't try to steal from heterosexuals what doesn't belong to them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    we are not weird people,
    Weird is a pretty strong word ..

    .. But you're easily observationally different and in a significant and homosexual-like way.

    It is the collective difference that causes straight people to notice and withdraw to a degree, especially when straight people are unaware of the birth defect etiology of homosexuality.


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    we are ordinary citizens that deserve the same rights as everyone else.
    Yes, absolutely.

    But, you don't deserve that to which you are not rightly definitive proprietarily entitled, such as "marriage", as marriage is and always has been since the agricultural revolution more than 12,000 years ago "between a man and a woman as husband and wife", isolated or exceptional violations notwithstanding but powerless to redefine what marriage is.

    "Homarriage" and the like is an acceptable name for homosexual domestic partner civil unions, but "marriage", obviously, is not .. no matter what the SCOTUS decides.


    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    There is nothing wrong with homosexuality,
    It is difficult to argue that a behavior endemic to someone predisposed to that behavior is "wrong", though religions have tried through the ages.

    And, a person can have a defect, and, of course, not be a "defective person".

    Some people do see birth defects as "wrong", and are actively pursuing preventions to make things "right", so that people no longer have to suffer those birth defects.


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    and I will not be ashamed of promoting that message.
    Good for you!

    You are doing all who suffer a birth defect a great service thereby, to eliminate the unjustified shame of suffering a birth defect that is simply not your fault.
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Oh I am so so scared--someone om the internet thinks their one vote can accomplish what the President and the Democratic leadership have utterly failed to do and will continue to fail to do until the Constitution is amended.

    ...and BTW, in case you have not noticed, most of the anti-SSM marriage laws were passed by the public, not evil straight people in a smoke-filled backroom. Nothing like the vote tally to refute the generic polling.
    Your silly not my one vote. There will be many voters.

    If you dont want liberty for others you will lose yours.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    The gay and lesbian lifestyle is not an "alternative".

    It is an understandable consequence of the birth defect of homosexuality: http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...post1061800678



    Yes, coping like every imperfect person we all are does: the best we can.



    No more than those suffering cleft palate, transsexuality, spina bifida, etc. are freaks.

    Sadly, however, there are bullies who demean and belittle birth defect sufferers, an egregious behavior.



    Actually true for the most part, though with one huge exception: homosexual-specific behavior -- that behavior is, most certainly, abnormal with respect to the general population, though not abnormal for homosexuals.

    This is because the area of the birth defect of homosexuality is located in the brain, located mostly in the part of the brain responsible for "gender attracted-to" and a little in the part of the brain resposible for "gender identity".



    The truth of the matter is that most states don't have domestic partner civil unions other than marriage, and it takes a lot of effort to encourage and realize the legislative effort to enact such a specifically appropriately named ("homarriage") civil union domestic partnership in each state. That is the real problem.

    So the short-cut of hijacking the word "marriage" to oxymoronically attempt a redefinement is being attempted, which accounts for the understandable opposition.



    That can't be done in the literal sense, as homosexuals are merely roughly 2% of the population (with bisexuals about 6%).

    If what you mean by "normalize" is "make the straight public aware and accepting and use to homosexuals", yes that can be done ..

    .. But not by attempting to hijack and oxymoronically redefine the word "marriage".

    That will only garner you understandable animosity, and never acceptance.



    Yes, this is true, marginalized due to ignorance.

    But now that we know that homosexuality is a birth defect, that will go a long way to changing atttitudes toward homosexuals for the better, providing, of course, that homosexuals don't try to steal from heterosexuals what doesn't belong to them.



    Weird is a pretty strong word ..

    .. But you're easily observationally different and in a significant and homosexual-like way.

    It is the collective difference that causes straight people to notice and withdraw to a degree, especially when straight people are unaware of the birth defect etiology of homosexuality.



    Yes, absolutely.

    But, you don't deserve that to which you are not rightly definitive proprietarily entitled, such as "marriage", as marriage is and always has been since the agricultural revolution more than 12,000 years ago "between a man and a woman as husband and wife", isolated or exceptional violations notwithstanding but powerless to redefine what marriage is.

    "Homarriage" and the like is an acceptable name for homosexual domestic partner civil unions, but "marriage", obviously, is not .. no matter what the SCOTUS decides.



    It is difficult to argue that a behavior endemic to someone predisposed to that behavior is "wrong", though religions have tried through the ages.

    And, a person can have a defect, and, of course, not be a "defective person".

    Some people do see birth defects as "wrong", and are actively pursuing preventions to make things "right", so that people no longer have to suffer those birth defects.



    Good for you!

    You are doing all who suffer a birth defect a great service thereby, to eliminate the unjustified shame of suffering a birth defect that is simply not your fault.
    Wow you spout hate so eloquently.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Wow you spout hate so eloquently.
    It is amazing how ideologues, when faced with the truth they simply cannot accept, the truth which flies in the face of their ideological agenda, resort to name-calling false accusations.

    Again, just another manifestation of debate capitulation.
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