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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I cannot justify your positions with what God says in the bible, so it is pointless to continue this conversation.
    Mostly because he's got you dead to rights and even worse, you've got no evidence that God even exists, much less said anything in the Bible. It's about as foolish as claiming that Harry Potter books are holy writ because you have faith in Dumbledore.
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    There is a mountain of evidence. There are decades of research on the subject of same sex couples. There's basically no difference in outcomes for the couple or their children. Nor is there any documented detrimental effect of same sex relationships on hetero ones. Since marriage in general and private sexual conduct are protected by strict scrutiny, gender discrimination is protected by intermediate scrutiny, and same sex conduct is protected by at least intermediate scrutiny, the burden is on opponents to show proof, not on supporters. By all means, show us all the evidence you have of what legitimate (or maybe compelling) interest is furthered by prohibiting SSM, and how prohibiting SSM furthers that interest.

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    No, we don't. Once you get past rational basis, the burden is on the government to prove why it can/should restrict liberty. Not on the people to prove why they should have it. So no, we do not have to figure any of this out.
    Two strawmen in a row. No one's liberty is being restricted by the Government handing out marriage licenses, and I have not in this thread argued that homosexual couples do not raise children as well as hetero ones.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    BTW, if you actually checked out what the word sodomite meant in 1611,you would see that it had nothing to do with opposite gender sex.

    We will never see eye to eye on this, and to continue to say the same thing is fruitless, this is the last thing I will say to you concerning th origin of the word sodomite.
    The definition is based on a faulty translation from the Bible. I have shown the accurate translation. Because we have become far more enlightened that those in 1611, the definition is now different to reflect that knowledge... as I have shown you. As I said, you have been shown this before. Your refusal to accept accurate information is not my problem.
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    As a Biblical scholar I can verify this.
    I certainly question your scholarship if you hold this position, which happens to be incorrect.
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I can tell you that the original languages did in fact mean homosexuality and condemned them.
    And I can tell you that the original languages did NOT mean homosexuality. The story of Sodom and Gommorah in the original languages reference homosexual rape as used for intimidation.
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    It is a word for homosexuality as it describes homosexual acts. Did you not read my entire post? I'm sorry if you can't handle the truth.
    Homosexual acts and homosexuality are two different things. You do know the difference between orientation and behavior, correct?
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I'm sorry, but that is people who are twisting the original languages to fit the homosexual agenda.
    Actually, you are twisting the original languages to fit the anti-homosexual agenda.
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The definition is based on a faulty translation from the Bible. I have shown the accurate translation. Because we have become far more enlightened that those in 1611, the definition is now different to reflect that knowledge... as I have shown you. As I said, you have been shown this before. Your refusal to accept accurate information is not my problem.
    Arguing over biblical meaning is ultimately pointless, because it's a closed loop of non-logic that can't really be broken. The underlying belief (gays icky!) changes perception (God agrees with me, says so in this book!) Throw in the alleged infallibility of the book, and you have an unshakeable belief in what was originally a biased perception. Gays are icky, says the bible, and the bible can't be wrong. Two different people will come up with two different understandings of biblical meaning, but both will be steadfast in their belief. It's probably why we have a dozen different flavors of each of the Abrahamic religions despite them all starting from the same sets of books.

    Even the most simple commands found in each of those religions (DON'T KILL) manages to get twisted. Killing is bad, but God's will is always good. So if killing someone is God's will, that killing is totally ok. So now all you have to do is convince yourself God wants the other guys dead, and since you already wanted to kill them, you'll manage to perceive some scripture or other as supporting that urge.
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Chart of possible outcomes and their effects on SCOTUS ruling. Hopefully happens today.
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...age.html?_r=1&
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Two decisions coming down today looks like. SCOTUSblog live blog is excellent, learning alot about clerkship and the possibilities of new justices should one retire soon.
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