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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I will not use the word dumb in addressing you. I found out recently what happens when some people answer in ways you don't like.

    BTW, if you actually checked out what the word sodomite meant in 1611,you would see that it had nothing to do with opposite gender sex.

    We will never see eye to eye on this, and to continue to say the same thing is fruitless, this is the last thing I will say to you concerning th origin of the word sodomite.
    As a Biblical scholar I can verify this.
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    You people keep saying this. I have shown that as far back as 1828 Webster's dictionary did not say anything about sodomy being an act between those of the opposite sex. It is an act of homosexuality, period.
    So, when heterosexuals do those acts, what do you call it? Because they do.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    As a Biblical scholar I can verify this.
    Feel free to link one.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Feel free to link one.
    Link one what?
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Link one what?
    A religious scholar. But let me link one:

    "Sodomy" and "sodomite" are some of the ugliest words in the English language. They of course are derived from the Canaanite city of Sodom, whose destruction along with Gomorrah is related in Genesis 19. Most people assume that homosexuality was the grounds for this divine retribution and that this is the reason that gay men have been branded "sodomites." The word itself, used as implying a sexual sin, does not appear until A.D. 395 in letters between Saint Jerome and a priest Amandus, but the details of the act and the nature of the sin are not explained.

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    Interestingly enough, Jesus did not interpret the sin of Sodom as sexual. First, Jesus says nothing specific about the sin of homosexuality anywhere in the Gospels. He does of course speak of sexual sins, but all of us, regardless of our sexual orientation, commit a few of these. Second, when Jesus instructs his disciples to preach in the towns of Israel, Jesus warns that those who do not receive them peacefully will be judged more harshly than the people of Sodom and Gomorrah (Matt. 10: 5-15).

    Jesus joins other ancient authorities in viewing the sins of the Sodomites as the abuse of strangers, neglecting the poor and needy, and the stigmatizing of outsiders. For example, Ezekiel says that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah "had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and the needy" (16:49-50); and the Wisdom of Solomon says that they "refused to receive strangers when they came to them" (19.14). On the other hand, an early Christian book I Clement states that Lot was saved "because of his hospitality and piety" (11.11). It is significant that when Leviticus condemns "men who lie with men," it does not mention the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

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    Jesus joins other ancient authorities in viewing the sins of the Sodomites as the abuse of strangers, neglecting the poor and needy, and the stigmatizing of outsiders. For example, Ezekiel says that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah "had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and the needy" (16:49-50); and the Wisdom of Solomon says that they "refused to receive strangers when they came to them" (19.14). On the other hand, an early Christian book I Clement states that Lot was saved "because of his hospitality and piety" (11.11). It is significant that when Leviticus condemns "men who lie with men," it does not mention the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    Real Meaning of Sodomy

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A religious scholar. But let me link one:

    "Sodomy" and "sodomite" are some of the ugliest words in the English language. They of course are derived from the Canaanite city of Sodom, whose destruction along with Gomorrah is related in Genesis 19. Most people assume that homosexuality was the grounds for this divine retribution and that this is the reason that gay men have been branded "sodomites." The word itself, used as implying a sexual sin, does not appear until A.D. 395 in letters between Saint Jerome and a priest Amandus, but the details of the act and the nature of the sin are not explained.

    (Snip)

    Interestingly enough, Jesus did not interpret the sin of Sodom as sexual. First, Jesus says nothing specific about the sin of homosexuality anywhere in the Gospels. He does of course speak of sexual sins, but all of us, regardless of our sexual orientation, commit a few of these. Second, when Jesus instructs his disciples to preach in the towns of Israel, Jesus warns that those who do not receive them peacefully will be judged more harshly than the people of Sodom and Gomorrah (Matt. 10: 5-15).

    Jesus joins other ancient authorities in viewing the sins of the Sodomites as the abuse of strangers, neglecting the poor and needy, and the stigmatizing of outsiders. For example, Ezekiel says that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah "had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and the needy" (16:49-50); and the Wisdom of Solomon says that they "refused to receive strangers when they came to them" (19.14). On the other hand, an early Christian book I Clement states that Lot was saved "because of his hospitality and piety" (11.11). It is significant that when Leviticus condemns "men who lie with men," it does not mention the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    (Snip)

    Jesus joins other ancient authorities in viewing the sins of the Sodomites as the abuse of strangers, neglecting the poor and needy, and the stigmatizing of outsiders. For example, Ezekiel says that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah "had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and the needy" (16:49-50); and the Wisdom of Solomon says that they "refused to receive strangers when they came to them" (19.14). On the other hand, an early Christian book I Clement states that Lot was saved "because of his hospitality and piety" (11.11). It is significant that when Leviticus condemns "men who lie with men," it does not mention the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    Real Meaning of Sodomy
    Actually I said I was a religious scholar, no link needed. And I can tell you most of what you just posted was taken out of context.
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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, when heterosexuals do those acts, what do you call it? Because they do.
    No reason to beat a dead horse, especially when you are the one riding it. The biblical definition of sodomy is man with man or woman with woman sex.

    I don't expect you to believe me or to even care. You will however be held responsible before God, but the choice is up to you.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    No thanks, I will stay with the truth.

    Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 KJV
    You're pulling your "truth" out of a book of primitive mythology. Um... sure.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Actually I said I was a religious scholar, no link needed. And I can tell you most of what you just posted was taken out of context.
    If you're a scholar, you know one to link that supports you. And, no, I read the entire thing. It's in keeping with how most read it.

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    re: Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    No reason to beat a dead horse, especially when you are the one riding it. The biblical definition of sodomy is man with man or woman with woman sex.

    I don't expect you to believe me or to even care. You will however be held responsible before God, but the choice is up to you.

    No, it really isn't. It's how some have badly misread the Bible. Read the link above.

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